ZURICH: Question Spelling FROG/FROSCH

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Thu Jul 31 21:13:49 UTC 2003

From: sfosshaug at bluewin.ch
Date: July 31, 2003

Dear SW List and Valerie
Great that you will try to answer our question. I just saw that it is 
needed for one more repetition symbol, the quote one, because the frog 
is jumping three times. Sorry. I look forward to your opinions of the 
spelling. As Penny wrote, it would be good to search for signs with 
repeated movements (likea specific symbol for repetition) later in the 
SignBank. What do you think?
I look forward to teach SignWriting to Deaf children this fall. I will 
also tell you about my experiences later. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Sutton [mailto:sutton at signwriting.org]
Sent: Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2003 17:11
To: SignWriting List
Cc: Siv Fosshaug; GS-Media
Subject: ZURICH: Question Spelling FROG/FROSCH

SignWriting List
July 31, 2003

Dear SW List Members:
Long ago we received these messages from Zurich, Switzerland... Today, 
through a series of messages, I will try to answer Siv and Penny's 
technical questions. Congratulations Siv, on teaching SignWriting to 
Deaf children this Fall! We will want to hear all about your 
experiences later....Val ;-)


Siv Fosshaug in Zurich wrote:

....good news is that I am going to teach the first bilingual class in 
Basel (one hour from Zurich) this fall, and then I am going to try to 
teach some SignWriting to 6 and 7 year old kids. I am so excited!! 
Finally I can try to teach SignWriting to kids in Switzerland! ....


Plus this message from long ago....

From: GS-Media <gsmedia at dplanet.ch>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 7:46:03 AM US/Pacific
Subject: Spelling FROG/FROSCH
Reply-To: gsmedia at dplanet.ch

Dear Valerie, Stuart - and all,

In discussing Stuart's exchange with Valerie about how to write the ASL
sign meaning 'next, next, next', Siv and I were reminded again of a
recurring problem we have about signs in which the movement is repeated.
One such sign that Siv is working on now is the Swiss German sign for
FROG (FROSCH). The passive hand is a flat hand with palm up. The
active hand begins with a modified O handshape (fore and middle fingers
bent to contact the thumb), with the palm facing the floor, the
fingertips in contact near the heel of the palm.

Now here comes the interesting part - the movement.
The handshape opens up into a European 3 hand (fore, middle fingers and
thumb outstretched), while simultaneously making a jumping forward
movement. As the hand descends to 'land' on the palm, the hand closes
again into the original modified O handshape. From the point on the palm
where the hand has landed, the whole movement is then repeated.

Attached is our SW spelling for FROSCH. If anyone would like a Quicktime
movie of this sign (212 KB), let me know and I can send it to you

For linguistic research purposes, we want our spelling to contain the
following information about this sign:

a) A 'full notation', giving both finger movements and the resulting
handshapes. (Although this is redundant information, we would like to be
able to search our databank later for either the handshapes involved or
the type of movement.)

b) The simultaneity of the finger opening and closing movements with the
arm jumping forward movement.

c) The fact that the whole sign is repeated. For linguistic research, it
would be good to be able to search for signs with repeated movements.
This would be a much easier search if there were a symbol for
'repeitition'. Perhaps there is a symbol for 'repetition' already built
into SignBank, which we haven't found yet. What we are using at the
moment is a single quote symbol for each repetition.

We realize that the kinds of things we might need for research sometimes
make the reading of the sign more complicated. For that reason, we are
considering putting two kinds of spellings into our databank: a full
linguistic spelling and a 'reduced, easy to read' spelling for
children's books, etc.
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