SVG version of our IMWA symbols

Wed Apr 25 18:11:09 UTC 2007

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Its full set of sss2004. By full I mean no flips or rotations. but the  
whole set.

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Citando Steve Slevinski <slevin at>:

> Jonathan,
> I am the one requesting an SVG
> Jonathan wrote:
>> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>> SignWriting List
>>> April 21, 2007
>>> This morning I had the pleasure of speaking for almost 2 hours on   
>>> the phone with the Netherlands, with one of the Wikimedia   
>>> languages subcommittee members, whom I met, through email   
>>> conversations recently, and we talked about creating an SVG   
>>> version of our IMWA symbols, to enhance future computer   
>>> programming...
>> Hi Val,
>>    An SVG version of the IMWA symbols seems exciting.  I was   
>> wondering we advantages this might have.  I know that currently the  
>>  PNG symbols are cacheable so this is better for us that have lower  
>>  bandwidth as we only have to get each symbol once. I briefly  
>> looked  into the SVG and it seems to be inline so it comes as part  
>> of the  web page.  I don't think that it would be cacheable but I  
>> could be  wrong. If the SVG is part of the page, then the browser  
>> wouldn't  have to get each symbol one by one, it would load faster  
>> on the  browser but the server would have to resend the symbol on  
>> each web  page refresh so it might be a bit longer to load each  
>> page for  those of us with lower bandwith.  Though on second  
>> thought, if we  don't have to get each rotation it might even be  
>> faster.
>>    I was thinking on the savings are far as rotations  for only the  
>>  handshapes using the SVG.  Presently there are about 207 hand   
>> shapes with 6 distinct fills rotated 8 different positions then   
>> mirrored and rotated another 8 positions.  So for each of the 207   
>> there are 6 fills X 16 rotations = 96 symbols per hand shape.  207   
>> handshapes X 96 symbols each =  19872 handshape symbols.  Now if we  
>>  only had to draw the 6 fills for the 207 handshapes, we would only  
>>  have to define 207 X 6 =  1242 symbols which SVG could easily   
>> mirror and rotate all the ways we wanted to.  So with SVG we would   
>> only need to define 6% of the current handshape symbols.  That's   
>> like 94% improvement. Not bad!!! Some of the other arrows etc can   
>> also be rotated and flipped to make up the full set. However there   
>> wouldn't be any savings as far as the face symbols or some of the   
>> punctuation is concerned.     I guess when we have made a few, we   
>> will have a better idea how they compare in size to the PNG   
>> symbols.  I wonder if they would be any smaller as many symbols   
>> have a lot of parts that have to be described.  The median PNG   
>> symbol file size is only 232 bytes.  It going to be hard to beat   
>> that but with a 90-94% savings from rotating them on the SVG I   
>> guess it would really be worth it.
>>    I the other more immediate benefit would be that they are easily  
>>  scalable.  This would be better for captioning or people who have   
>> bad eyesight. What else have your learned about doing the IMWA in   
>> SVG?
>> Jonathan
>>> I am going to step out in the beautiful Springtime air and be back  
>>>  shortly -
>>> Val ;-)
>>> -----------
>>> On Apr 21, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Cherie Wren wrote:
>>>> I volunteer to help...
>>>> cherie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Valerie Sutton <sutton at>
>>>> To: List SignWriting <sw-l at>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:41:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [sw-l] Wikipedia American Sign Language
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> April 20, 2007
>>>> Hello SW List Members!
>>>> As you all know, recently there has been interest in creating a
>>>> possible ASL Wikipedia, or at least, the beginning of writing an
>>>> Encyclopedia in ASL...
>>>> Since we are new to writing and posting documents on the web, in our
>>>> SignPuddle 1.5 Literature Puddle online, I realize that this is a
>>>> very big leap forward, to start writing encyclopedia articles in ASL!
>>>> To write such an article, we would need to either choose an article
>>>> already written in another encyclopedia, and then translate it from
>>>> English to ASL and then write it in SignWriting in SignText...
>>>> or...
>>>> write it directly from our own knowledge of physics, or geography or
>>>> whatever the article is about!
>>>> This seems like a big new project, doesn't it?
>>>> is my thought...
>>>> Do we have volunteers to help us write one test-article for a new
>>>> encyclopedia written in ASL?
>>>> It will be our FIRST article for an encyclopedia in a test
>>>> drive. Then we can show the document to those at Wikimedia and to
>>>> others too...It will be an historic and interesting adventure...
>>>> I know many of you are already overloaded with projects, so only
>>>> volunteer if you feel you have the time. We could create an
>>>> Encylopedia team of writers, and each person could take a small
>>>> section of the translation and writing...
>>>> And there is no rush and no deadline.
>>>> Plus we need to choose the one article we want to write...
>>>> But before we choose the article, is there anyone interested in
>>>> volunteering to write an article for an Encyclopedia?
>>>> Once we have a few volunteers, I will write to the Wikimedia language
>>>> committee to suggest that maybe they can choose one article for us to
>>>> translate from the Wikipedia in English online...
>>>> Those are my thoughts...
>>>> What are yours?
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>>>> Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>> -- 
>> Jonathan & Yolaine Duncan
>> 8-)  & ;-)
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