AW: [sw-l] Shurley 4

Charles Butler chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Mon Apr 30 13:49:37 UTC 2007

This is UP and over.  Think single line.  I think it's because the forearm actually twists that there is some difficulty in how to write it.  It could be up and over, or, like you said, the same motion as dead, which would be double lines. It's a challenge.

Something like this with a change in handshape.




I actually like this one better (again with a change in handshape).


CWren at wrote:  
I changed it, but thats why rotations mess with my head so badly, I think.  As I watch my hands sign that, I see the same motion as the sign for DEAD or one door open, one closes.  The hands are just closer together, so they move around each other as they twist...   Is the difference in the position of the forearm?  

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Hi Valerie, Cherie and listmembers –  
-          well I am back online – smile –  
You folks have been so incredible active! Too many messages – so that I will need some time to catch up with what is discussed ...  
Looking at your video Cherie – I would write it this way  
All the best  

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I always have troubles with the rotations...  that is my signing, not a transcription.  The two 'baby x's facing each other, then the right hand twists down twice and the left hand twists up twice while the palms continue to face each other--  best way I can describe it in words.  Here is a clip. 
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I was just reading your jingle. Very interesting. :-) Very well written too. They only sign that I had a problem with was (I am guessing) modify. The way that it was written is the same movement that would be for a vertical "dead" or "opening the right door while closing the left door." I took me a few tries of signing it to see what you were saying. I think that the movement for modify (at least the way I sign it) is the same as signing class except the left hand goes the opposite way. I don't know if I am right in my movement writing, but I was thinking that the movement was better written this way. But if you are transcribing and the person signed it the way I mentioned before, then keep it. :-)  
PS I'll try to get a clip of my signing the two movements as a picture is worth a thousand words. 
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