Signwriting Documents - another program?

Bill Reese wreese01 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM
Mon Mar 16 21:27:11 UTC 2009


Jonathan wrote:
>
>
> Bill Reese wrote:
>> Jonathon,
>>
>> By your list, you look close to a beta.   Completion of the two items 
>> you mentioned that need work or you're working on, the implementation 
>> of the arrow symbol chooser in SWEditor, and a rudimentary Help file 
>> for those testing would seem to put you there.   Some of your "not 
>> yet implemented" items look optional that can be added during the beta.
> Thanks for the encouragement,  I guess if I did that I could get a 
> Beta much sooner.  Some of the functions work but are a little buggy.  
> For example I can choose several symbols at once to move them around 
> or deselect one but sometimes it doesn't deselect the one it's 
> supposed to.  I was thinking that I should fix all of the bugs I know 
> of before I release a Beta.  What do you think?

Jonathan, I think it depends on the bugs.   As long as the known bugs 
aren't critical to basic functions then you could release it with a list 
of the known bugs to a group of registered beta-testers.  It's really 
your call, though - whenever you feel comfortable with other people 
testing and trying it out.


>>
>> I use Kubuntu, which is Ubuntu with the KDE desktop, whereas Ubuntu 
>> uses Gnome.  Gnome is smaller than KDE and works faster on older 
>> computers.  The KDE desktop is more Windows-like which appeals to 
>> those moving over from Windows.  Ubuntu and Kubuntu have been the 
>> most popular Linux distros for 3 years now and they both regularly 
>> update every 6 months.
> I had a quick look at some article about the two.  Do you ever run 
> into cases where a program will only run on Gnome but not KDE or vice 
> versa?
I haven't used the Gnome desktop at all and the few Gnome programs I 
installed on the KDE desktop worked fine.  There's a lot of work done 
and being done to provide compatibility between the two.  It's all 
Ubuntu anyways, which is built from Debian.

Bill

>
> Jonathan
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Jonathan y Yolaine wrote:
>>> Bill,
>>>     I was hoping to release a beta, but I might just go ahead and 
>>> release an alpha so I can get more feed back earlier on in the 
>>> development progress.   Right now it won't run on Linux.  I am still 
>>> thinking of releasing it for Linux, but it depends how complex it 
>>> becomes to port it to Linux. I have noticed that the Mono project to 
>>> port Windows .NET programs to Linux is maturing well. 
>>>     Which flavor of Linux do you use/recommend?
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> Bill Reese wrote:
>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>
>>>> You're program list is very impressive.  I'd like to test it once 
>>>> you get it to a point where you can release an alpha or beta.  Will 
>>>> it be able to work on different platforms like Linux?
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan wrote:
>>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>>     My program called "The SignWriter Studio" has many features, 
>>>>> one of them being SignWriting Documents.  It has been a big 
>>>>> project.  Some of it´s goals have been faster sign input, keyboard 
>>>>> input, standalone program not needing internet, multi-spoken 
>>>>> language to signlanguage, sign lists to helps students learn new 
>>>>> signs.
>>>>>     I am still working on the printing routines but the goal is 
>>>>> that the columns flow into the space available.  So it can do any 
>>>>> size page.  I have it working were it will accommodate and re flow 
>>>>> to the window size.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is an update of the progress of my program.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> *Main Feature* 	*Feature* 	*Status* 	*Comment*
>>>>> *GlosstoSign* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Gloss to Sign 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Phrase to Sign 	In Future version 	Match a phrase or 
>>>>> consecutive words with a sign
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Pass to Document 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Insert Gloss 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Remove Gloss 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Change Gloss 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *ImageEditor* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Crop 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Convert to Black and White 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Open/Save Image File 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Eraser 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Resize 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Contrast 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Brightness 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Undo/Redo 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *Import Export* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Import SBML 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Export SBML 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Import SignText URL 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Export SignText URL 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Import from another copy TheSignWriterStudio 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Choose Gloss Language 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Choose Dictionary Sign Language 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *Options* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Choose User Interface Language 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Choose User Interface Sign Language 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Choose First Gloss Language 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Choose Second Gloss Language 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Choose Dictionary Sign Language 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *SignList* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Rename/Choose/Delete SignList 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Rename/Choose/Order/Delete SignList Sub Titles 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Choose/Delete SignList Sub Title Signs from Dictionary 
>>>>> Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Display Sign 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Mark Signs not in any previous Sub Title 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Print List 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Print Preview 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Export to Image File for Slide Show 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *SWDictionary* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Search Bilingual Gloss 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Search Unilingual Gloss 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add New Sign 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Duplicate Sign 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Edit SignWriting in SWEditor 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Edit Image in ImageEditor 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Import 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Export 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste SignWriting 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste Picture of Sign 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste Photo 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	SignLanguage to SignLanguage 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Synonyms 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Antonyms 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Sign one must not confuse with 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Sign Definition 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Sign Example 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Sign Parts-of-Speech 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Sign Mnemonic 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *SWDocument* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Edit SignWriting in SWEditor 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add Sign from Dictionary 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Edit Image in ImageEditor 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add Image from File 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Remove Sign/Image 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Move Sign/Image 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Copy Sign to Clipboard 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Sign Move Drag and Drop 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Switch Sign Lanes 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Set Sign Bottom Margin 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Edit Gloss 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Copy Image to Clipboard 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Save Sign back to Dictionary 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Symbol and Sign Gloss tool tip 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Save/Load Document 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Import 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Export 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Print 	Needs work
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Print Preview 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Page Setup 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Show/Hide glosses 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Start new column 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *SWEditor* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Spread Symbols 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Setup Offsets for all heads 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Torso Symbol Chooser 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	EyeGaze Symbol Chooser 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Favority Sign Parts 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Listing of all Symbol Groups 	Needs Work 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Arrow Symbol Chooser 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Change Symbol Color 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste SignWriting 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Change Frames 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Change Background Color 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Copy Image of Sign 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Undo/Redo 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Hand Shape Search 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Remove/Choose Favorite Symbol 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Mouseless Writing 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Hand Symbol Chooser 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Hand Shape Rotation/Fill Chooser 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Add/Remove/Order Sequence 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	General Symbol Chooser 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Overlap Symbols 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Symbol Drag and Drop 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Duplicate Symbols 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Change Symbol size 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Multiple Symbol Selection 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Move Symbol Above/Below 	Working 	
>>>>> *SWSearch* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Exact Match 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Group Match 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Fill Match 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Rotation Match 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Any Match 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Synonym Symbol in other plane 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Sign Similarity 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Working 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *SWQuizes* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Multiple Choice SignWriting 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Multiple Choice Gloss 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented 	
>>>>> *SWAnimation* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	SignWriting to Animation Files 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *SWAvatar* 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	SignWriting to Avatar script 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Help 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *
>>>>> * 	Globalized 	In Future version 	
>>>>> *SWReceptive* 	Expresive to Receptive 	In Future version 	
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the features mentioned are exactly what I need, but the most imp one
>>>>>> is that when you add a column of signwriting in the middle of the
>>>>>> document, all following columns move to accomodate it.  Like writing
>>>>>> spoken languages in Word, you can insert a paragraph wherever you like and
>>>>>> everything else moves to accomodate it (I don't know what this is called
>>>>>> in technical terms, I'm sure there is a word for it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you are working on a program for signwriting documents?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the option of printing A5 is that possible in this program?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your response,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>>>>     I don't know of any other program yet.  Mine is progressing but
>>>>>>> unfinished.  My document suite lets the document flow on the screen from
>>>>>>> one column to the next.  I haven't done the printing part yet but was
>>>>>>> intending to do it in similar fashion. So when you add some text, what
>>>>>>> doesn't fit on one page flows to the next, etc.   The idea is also to be
>>>>>>> able to have inline pictures within any of the 3 lanes of the column.  I
>>>>>>> can also have gloss on the signwriting or not.
>>>>>>>     Is this what you were wanting?  What other editing features would be
>>>>>>> important for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anyone on the list has experience transferring long
>>>>>>>> signwriting documents into another program (such as DocumentMaker) and
>>>>>>>> maybe could suggest another program which is a little more flexible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DocumentMaker is very good of course, however I am thinking in terms of
>>>>>>>> very long documents and one limitation in DocumentMaker is the
>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>> Say you have completed 50 pages, then whilst editing you realise you
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to add another column somewhere inbetween, say at page 25, if you add
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> column there at page 25, all that follows does not change (because each
>>>>>>>> page is saved separately). It would be really good if there was a
>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>> that allowed for this flexibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks to all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maria
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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