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Michael Rießler michael.riessler at skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de
Mon Oct 29 17:00:18 UTC 2012


Dear Pekka and all,

the link leads you to the metadata catalogue. According to the wish of the researcher and other collectors involved, the actual recordings are not freely accessible. You need to ask Elisabeth Scheller, I am only the archive curator in this case. 

Best,
Michael

On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Pekka Sammallahti wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> A praiseworthy endevor!
> 
> I couldn't open Michael's Akkala link. I would have liked to hear it with my own ears, just to convince myself that Akkala is not confused with Sââ´rves. The two languages coexisted in Yona for decades but the last recordings I've heard indicate that they didn't merge at least as far as their phonologies are concerned.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Pekka
> 
> Quoting Michael Rießler <michael.riessler at skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de>:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> thank you Flo and Riho! I find this a very useful initiative.
>> 
>> A few notes on East-Saamic:
>> * Akkala is certainly not extinct, one speaker was recently  recorded, see  http://corpus1.mpi.nl/ds/imdi_browser?openpath=MPI1564782%23.
>> * The most reliable estimation of Kildin speakers presents Scheller  2011 (or elsewhere): "The Saami language situation in Russia" in:  Uralica Helsingiensia 5. Scheller distinguishes between about 100  active and 700 passive speakers. Your figure of 350 speakers is in  between these two and seems reasonable to me.
>> * Skolt does in fact also have speakers in Norway. I personally know  two speakers who live in Neiden. They are both fluent and active  speakers, at least one of them is among the leading revitalizers  having published books in Skolt Saami and teaching it at the school  in Sevettijärvi/Finland (30km from Neiden). I have heard about a  third speaker living in Kirkenes. Although they have only moved to  Norway from the Finish side, they have lived in Norway permanently  for several (if not many) years (both with Norwegian partners) and  they continue using Skolt Saami between each other or with other  visiting Skolt Saami. One of them is even a Norwegian citizen. Being  permanent inhabitants of Norway, living on traditional Skolt Saami  territories (in an area which was always characterized by  cross-border communication) and obviously being quite active  speakers, it seems anachronistic to exclude them from being counted  as Skolt Saami of Norway.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Michael Rießler
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Dr. Michael Rießler
>> Skandinavisches Seminar, Universität Freiburg
>> www.skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de/institut/mitarbeiter/riessler
>> michael.riessler at skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de
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>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Florian Siegl wrote:
>> 
>>> Over the last month, the Department of Finno-Ugric studies in  Helsinki has collected and re-evaluated existing statistical data  concerning estimated numbers of speakers (!) of individual Uralic  languages. As this data is biased, we have decided to make our  estimations available on Ura-List in order to gather feedback and  suggestions. The overall intention is NOT to present an exact  number of speakers (see also principles in the attached file) which  would result in a sanctioned list, but to arrive at a reasonably  realistic estimation which can be used e. g. in teaching, research  or PR work. Although this should not need any further explanation,  we wish to exemplify this with two instances which demonstrate the  urgency of such an endeavor; the number of Lule Saami speakers has  been estimated as roughly 1500-2000, and this number has been  around for a longer period. Recent estimations from within the Lule  Saami community operate with roughly 700 speakers only ? the  resulting discrepancy is 50%. A similar case is to be expected for  Forest Nenets. The number of speakers has been reported exceeding  1000 for quite a while now, but may actually not exceed 700 when  taking general demographic trends into consideration.
>>> Further, several languages were once a while reported as extinct  (e. g. Livonian, Ume Saami and Pite Saami) though for all languages  L1 speakers could still be found. Possibly Akkala Saami could also  be added to this list.
>>> 
>>> As Ura-List, unfortunately, does not stimulate much online  discussion, we encourage subscribers to comment this particular  matter online. Of course, we also welcome offline comments. These  should be sent to florian.siegl at helsinki.fi. Please state on which  kind of evidence your assumptions rest and if possible provide  links to further online resources, own work etc. Please also state  if we are allowed to quote your data/assumption publicly as p. c.  if this would become necessary.
>>> 
>>> A summary will be posted on Ura-List. A more ?official? mode of  representation is currently also thought of perhaps resulting in an  updated version of the 1992 map Geographical Distribution of the  Uralic Languages (then compiled by Grünthal & Salminen). A suitable  online forum is also currently debated on.
>>> 
>>> Last, but not least, please forward this message to colleagues and  language activists who are not subscribers of Ura-List.
>>> 
>>> Florian Siegl
>>> 
>>> PhD, researcher
>>> Department of Finnish, Finno-Ugrian and Scandinavian Studies,
>>> P.O.Box 24
>>> FIN-00014 University of Helsinki
>>> Finland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <Uralic_Languages_Speakers_2012.doc>
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Dr. Michael Rießler
Skandinavisches Seminar, Universität Freiburg
www.skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de/institut/mitarbeiter/riessler
michael.riessler at skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de









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