Glottal stops/notation

Beverly Flanigan flanigan at OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU
Tue Jun 15 20:27:01 UTC 1999

I know of Edgar Whan, yes, though I've never met him; he's famous around
here as a super teacher--now retired.  Did you go to OU?  Popik is quite a
boor; I can take only so much of his ego-filled comments until I react.
Last year I "broke his heart" with one of my replies, and he quieted down
for a while--a brief while.

At 11:48 AM 6/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Ms. F.
>Just noticed the Ohio U  in your address.Do you happen to know Ed Whan? And
>thanks for the comment re Take Our Word For It. I've always belkieved that
one of
>the hallmarks of a professional is an interest in, and practice of,
sharing and
>exchanging knowledge. Popik's comments reminded me a lot of Dr. Pert's
>observations in "Molecules of Emotion". Some folks still treat knowledge as
>something to be jealously guarded among  an inner circle, sometimes
>as a "good-ole-boys network. Sigh.
>Beverly Flanigan wrote:
>> Syllabic /n, r, and l/ should certainly have some kind of mark underneath,
>> but I don't know how that's done on e-mail--Terry?  But the /?/ sans dot
>> doesn't signify the above; it's the sound a child makes in "uh oh" and many
>> British use in "bottle," "wha'" etc.  Terry's first example was glottalized
>> "satin," not "sadden."  Most Americans, as far as I know, do not glottalize
>> "bottle" but do so with 'cotton,' 'button,' 'kitten,' 'rotten,' 'Scranton,'
>> and 'Clinton' (foreign speakers usually do not glottalize 'Clinton,' but
>> pronounce a clear [t] instead, as I'm sure you've noticed).  To answer
>> Terry's question, the exception, as someone noted a couple weeks ago, might
>> be New Yorkers--anyone else?
>> At 06:29 PM 6/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Shouldn't those final consonants have a period underneath--or whatever is
>> >the e-mail way of distinguishing them as syllables--or is that another
>> >school of phonetics.  Anyhow, to answer your question, in the Southeast I
>> >have only heard bod?l, sad?n, and whatever the third example was.  I have
>> >heard bot?l and sat?n from Northerners at parties and social
gatherings.  I
>> >have never heard bo?l or sa?n from any speakers of any ethnic group, race,
>> >or social class although I have seen the allegedly phonetic spelling in
>> >novels purporting to reflect certain dialects.
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: TERRY IRONS <t.irons at MOREHEAD-ST.EDU>
>> >Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 2:47 PM
>> >Subject: Glottal stops/notation
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Pafra & Scott Catledge wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Isn't the ? a pharyngeal phricative? or is it a glottal stoppal?  It's
>> >been
>> >> > too long since I was a a member of IPA.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ? without the . is a glottal stop, in IPA.
>> >>
>> >> In English this glottal stop is an allphone of /t/, variably, in in
>> >> post-vocalic, non-word final postions, e.g., [s ae ? n] , [k a ? n],
>> >> [b a ? l].
>> >>
>> >> Students in my intro class thus summer had some problems with this
>> >> variation.
>> >>
>> >> Does any one have any insight on its distribution as a regional/social
>> >> variant of /t/?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Virtually, Terry
>> >>
>> >(*)
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>> >>
>> >(*)
>> >

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