At 11:57 AM 8/21/02 -0500, to which Jan replied: >greasy and vaseline both /s/ (no voicing whatever... always thought I was >pretty close to a mainline standard American speaker) Same here -- /s/ for both. Born in Delaware - raised outside Chicago. (Outside East Chicago, IN actually). --Katy Kathleen E. Miller Research Assistant to William Safire The New York Times