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[Beverly Flanigan]

Thanks, Mark!
Actually, I like your physics-of-the-mouth description (openness of script
a with lip formation of turned c).  I'll use that next time I teach dialect
variation to my grad students!  I don't bother to teach the turned script a
to my undergrads; but interestingly, when I ask southern Ohioans to
transcribe a word like "body" they almost always give me the turned c
(rhyming with my Northern 'bawdy'), suggesting that their phonemic sense of
the sound is that of open O.

At 07:43 PM 11/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Mark A Mandel wrote to Beverly Flanigan:
>
>#"<<intermediate>> inverted script a"?
>#
>#As I read your post, it looks to me as if you are saying that "open /o/"
>#-- by which I understand the IPA turned-c, a low-mid back rounded vowel
>#-- is lower than "inverted script a" -- low back rounded vowel. And
>#that's backwards. Or I've forgotten all the IPA I ever knew. And that's
>#scary.
>#
>#Am I misunderstanding your post?
>
>Grrrumph. I certainly was. My apologies to Bev and to the list. I'll
>blame it on writing before supper. If I'd read the whole thing together
>I'd've realized that Bev said exactly what she meant, and neither of us
>was forgetting the IPA. <turned script a> IS reasonably "intermediate"
>between <turned c> and <script a>, having the openness of the latter and
>the lip formation of the former. I was miscuing off her phrase "full
>/open o/", mis-taking "full" to mean "at an extreme of a range" (i.e.,
>openness).
>
>-- Mark A. Mandel