America and Americans (and Brits)

[Laurence Horn]

At 6:29 PM -0500 2/20/02, David Bergdahl wrote:
>In addition to the North American vs. USA-ian terms, maybe we ought to
>revisit the way to differentiate the inhabitants of the city of New York vs.
>what Raven McDavid used to call "York Staters."  City residents call the
>city New York or just "the city" and refer to the state as Upstate--which
>can begin in Yonkers!  Central NYers--when I lived there 30+ yrs ago--used
>"New York City" for NY, NY ( a reference I personally dislike ) and New York
>for the state (often with a navigational aid--Western NY, Central NY
>although the Southern Tier and the Adirondaks didn't need "NY" attached to
>them).
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Don't forget "the Island", distinct from NYC socially, politically,
and geographically, if not always linguistically.  (I can be
objective, since I spent my first 12 years in the latter and the next
4 on the former.)

larry