Fwd: Queries

James A. Landau JJJRLandau at AOL.COM
Sat Nov 15 15:50:45 UTC 2003

In a message dated 11/15/03 12:24:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> My daughter has trained with an Oberbereiter from the Spanish Riding School
> in  Vienna.  The form of dressage on display there derives from military
>  techniques.
>  I suspect that the Pad-Saddle is a more
>  luxurious saddle with a padded seat -- better for long rides.  It may also
>  refer to the enclosing saddle that had padded rolls on the pommel and
>  cantle to help hold the rider in (like the saddles still used at the Spansh
>  Riding School)

In modern terminology "pad saddle" means "A cushion used as a saddle without
a tree or frame."  (quoted from
Google has 2030 hits, although many of these are for "saddle pad" which is
something different.

Now did General Monck's original c1645 quote refer to such a frameless
saddle, or did he refer to a padded framed saddle?  It's not possible to tell from
the context given.  Most well-equpped cavalry units preferred, for obvious
reasons, very strongly-built saddles, sometimes even with armor built in.  But not
all.  "The [Union Army] artillery, by the way, usually had a saddle entirely
different from the cavalry's---a "Jennifer," much more of a pad saddle than
the McClellan, with a stitched padded seat and a high, curving, wishbone,
brass-rimmed pommel and cantle...The Jennifer, and the similar but somewhat more
elaborate "Grimsley,"...were harder on the horses' back than the McClellan was.
But General Jeb Stuart liked Jennifers, nevertheless"

Foster-Harris _The Look of the Old West_ New York: Viking, 1955, page 80 for
the quote, page 240 on war saddles.

I have no further comments on "forepattern" or "slit saddle".

        - James A. Landau
          systems engineer
          FAA Technical Center (ACB-510/BCI)
          Atlantic City Int'l Airport NJ 08405 USA

PS.  The following, from Foster-Harris page 11, may be a folk etymology, but
it's worth quoting:

"the troopers were supposed to wear an atrocity of a stock, of black leather.
 This is where the name "leatherneck" came from, since the Marines also had
to wear these dog-collar affairs and evidently did.  And "raw recruit" no doubt
stemmed from the same galling source.  But in no Civil War or later picture
have I been abele to make certain than any solider is actually wearing such a
stock.   Hanged if I blame them!"

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