"di?nt" (with glottal stop)

[Wilson Gray]

On Nov 16, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Beverly Flanigan wrote:

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> Subject:      Re: "di?nt" (with glottal stop)
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> As Wilson knows, I lived in St. Louis for 10 years (in the '60s), but
> alas,
> I was so cocooned by St. Louis U and Wash U (as we called it) that I
> didn't
> really tune into the local dialect(s).   But I do recall "No I never"
> from
> somewhere during that era.  I was struck by my distant cousins' use of
> "sody pop" on the other side of the river, in Collinsville

During my four years of high school, the Collinsville High School
Cahoks (rhymes with "Jayhawks," i.e. "Cayhawks"; people said that, if
Collinsville had a heart, it would give up its team nickname to the
Cahokia, IL, HS; Collinsville had no heart ) won every single
basketball game that they played against us, at home or away.

-Wilson

>  but I don't
> recall "youse" (though my Baltimore in-laws used it all the time).  A
> colleague's wife here in Athens but originally from St. Louis has the
> "for/far" homophony (or maybe reversal? I'll listen again).  Now Labov
> claims St. Louis is a "corridor" extending the Northern Cities Shift
> southward (maybe to Cincinnati too), but it wasn't back in the old
> days!
>
> At 04:02 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 2004, at 3:13 PM, Beverly Flanigan wrote:
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>>> Subject:      Re: "di?nt" (with glottal stop)
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>>> This deleted tap [dInt]
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>> This pronunciation was used by white kids in St. Louis, back in the
>> day. These kids would now, as is your humble correspondent, be
>> approaching their 70's all too quickly. BTW, what about "no I never,"
>> used by these same white no-longer-kids, as opposed to the "no I
>> didn't" used by us coloreds? Is/was that widespread? And how about the
>> use of "youse" by white kids in St. Louis in my day, when everyone
>> claimed that this usage was peculiar to Brooklyn, NY? St. Louis is a
>> kind of Rodney Dangerfield of dialectology. It don't get no respect.
>>
>> -Wilson Gray
>>
>>>  or [dIn?] is what I hear in my nieces in Minnesota,
>>> and I assume it's widespread.  I glottalize intervocalically, as do
>>> most
>>> people I know here in Ohio.  Does anyone say [dIDnt] except perhaps
>>> in
>>> formal speech?  (D = flap, n is syllabic.)
>>>
>>> At 01:14 AM 11/16/2004, Zwicky wrote:
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>>>> just a warning...  the spelling <di'nt> (or similar things) is often
>>>> used to code a pronunciation in which the intervocalic voiced tap is
>>>> simply deleted.  not the same thing as a pronunciation with an
>>>> intervocalic glottalish bit.
>>>>
>>>> i suspect that ben zimmer's examples include some with an
>>>> intervocalic
>>>> glottal stop and some with no intervocalic consonant at all.  this
>>>> is
>>>> not to deny that some of them have glottal stops, possibly from a
>>>> catchphrase.
>>>>
>>>> arnold
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