putative bidialec talism

[Dennis R. Preston]

I'm with Ron here; perghaps there is a John (Baugh) - John (Rickford)
confusion. John Baugh is not only authentically bidialectal (which he
even publicly performs from time to time) but has even been examined
acoustically (and found to be distinctive) in his imitations of
African-American, European-American, and Chicano accents in his work
on fair housing ("linguistic profiling").

dInIs

PS: Well, maybe one or two of those accents are not imitations, but
let's not get into imitation versus performance (yet).

>In a message dated 10/22/04 5:15:32 PM, wilson.gray at RCN.COM writes:
>
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>>  On Oct 22, 2004, at 4:27 PM, RonButters at AOL.COM wrote:
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>>  > Poster:       RonButters at AOL.COM
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>>  > In a message dated 10/22/04 3:47:34 PM, wilson.gray at RCN.COM writes:
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >> FWIW, he is the best bi-dialectal speaker that I've ever heard,
>>  >> including myself, and that's saying a taste. He's in a class with
>>  >> Leonard Brezhnev's nameless personal interpreter, who's the best
>>  >> bi-lingual speaker that I've ever heard.
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  > Does this refer to Allan Metcalf or John Rickford? Both are very
>>  > talented
>>  > guys, and I THINK I know them both quite well. I've never heard either
>>  > one speak
>>  > in anything other than what I have always taken to be the same dialect,
>>  > fundamentally, that he spoke at age 16 or so. The idea of Allan
>>  > Metcalf doing rap or
>>  > John Rickford doing Frank Sinatra is delightful, though, and I hope we
>>  > can
>>  > get them together for a duet in San Francisco in January. I'd
>>  > particularly like
>>  > to hear John's rendition of "My Way" and Allan's "Me So Horny."
>>  >
>>
>>  My reference is to John Rickford. Once upon a time, I had a speaking
>>  acquaintance with John, but that was a while ago.  If you mentioned my
>>  name to him, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he replied that he had
>>  no idea who I am. IAC, I have heard him speak before various audiences
>>  and I've also chatted with him on a personal basis. I know nothing at
>>  all about Allan Metcalf. His name means nothing to me. I've never heard
>>  him speak a single syllable under any circumstances nor have I read
>>  anything by him. As a consequence, I am unable to voice an opinion of
>>  any kind regarding Mr./Dr./Prof. Metcalf.
>>
>>  Now, what is the point of your reply? That only your opinions based
>>  upon your experiences are the only valid ones? Or is it your claim that
>>  Rickford is unworthy of such praise?
>>
>>  -Wilson Gray
>>
>
>My point was first of all to find out if it was REALLY John Rickford who was
>being referred to here. My experience with John--formed over the past 20 or
>more years--is that I have never heard him speak with anything other than an
>identifiable Caribbean accent. (Walt Wolfram has never strayed too far from
>Philadephia accent, either, and Bill Labov would never be mistaken
>for someone from
>Atlanta).
>John is an extremely talented guy, and perhaps he has a non-Caribbean
>register that I have never heard him use, but no, my experience is
>certainly not the
>"only valid" experience, and even if I thought that that would scarcely have
>been the "point" of my e-mail. However, because my experience with John
>stretches over a long period of time (during which I have been
>reasonably attentive,
>if only because I admire him so much), I personally would be at least a bit
>surprised if there were not some other explanation for Mr. Gray's
>memory (e.g.,
>perhaps it was actually John Baugh, not John Rickford, whose accent he is
>recalling). But if I am wrong, well, it would be a delight to hear
>Dr. Rickford
>actually do it!
>
>Being able to imitate another dialect is certainly not unpraiseworthy, but it
>is far down on the list of praiseworthy accomplishments that a linguist might
>aspire to, in my book. John Rickford's career speaks for itself: his work is
>brilliant and has been consistently brilliant for over two decades. There only
>a handful of living American linguists that I can truthful say I admire as
>much as I do John.


--
Dennis R. Preston
University Distinguished Professor of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics and Germanic, Slavic, Asian, and African Languages
A-740 Wells Hall
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824
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Fax: (517) 432-2736
preston at msu.edu