"Leader DeLay"??? What's up with that?

[Roger Shuy]

on 5/16/05 9:08 PM, James C Stalker at stalker at MSU.EDU wrote:

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> Were you Father Shuy or shy Father?

Ah, the old game of name puns, like Jim the stalker or stalker Jim. When
does it all end?

roger the shuy
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>> on 5/14/05 10:19 PM, Laurence Horn at laurence.horn at YALE.EDU wrote:
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>>> At 12:32 PM -0500 5/14/05, Barbara Need wrote:
>>>>> One of my professors goes by her first name with graduate students but
>>>>> prefers undergraduates to call her Dr., specifically because one does
>>>>> not have to hold a Ph.D. to lecture at my university. She told me that
>>>>> she would be fine without that title if she were teaching at an
>>>>> institution where all teaching were doctors.
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>>>>> -Lal
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>>>>> Dennis R. Preston wrote:
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>>>>>> An old study (source forgotten) relates "Dr." and "Professor" titles
>>>>>> to prestige of institution. More prestige, less doctoring and
>>>>>> professoring.
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>>>>>> dInIs
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>>>> At the University of Chicago, professors are (traditionally) called
>>>> Mr or Mrs/Ms/Miss, not Doctor, not Professor. Someone once explained
>>>> this to me, but I don't remember what the UofC rationale was.
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>>> Probably the same as at Yale (we do share that [+ gothic] feature,
>>> after all), where "Mr. X" was de rigueur for men, and "Miss/Mrs. X"
>>> for women (this was when institutions like Yale and the N. Y. Times
>>> didn't deign to recognize "Ms.").   So it was Mr. Bloch  and Miss
>>> Haas and such.  But then first-naming came in, along with jeans and
>>> such, before I arrived in '81, and it's been downhill ever since.
>>> The rationale for the earlier practice as stated to me was that it
>>> was assumed that everyone at Yale is both a professor and a PhD, so
>>> it would be infra dig to flaunt such titles.
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>>> Larry
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>> But I'll be you never had the problem that we had at Georgetown, where,
>> after the Jesuits began wearing civies in public,  Protestant male teachers
>> like me sometimes very mistakenly got called Father.
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>> Roger
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> James C. Stalker
> Department of English
> Michigan State University
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