Query: why "salt and pepper" but not "pepper and salt"?
Laurence Horn
laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Fri May 20 01:29:17 UTC 2005
At 7:26 PM -0500 5/19/05, Cohen, Gerald Leonard wrote:
>The differing order of the names in the message below is explainable
>by who belongs to which family. Holly's family will put her first
>("Holly 'n' Fritz"), while Fritz's family will put him first ("Fritz
>'n' Holly"). I noticed this phenomenon long ago, when I realized
>that all my cousins who got married were referred to first within my
>family--very possibly without the speakers even being aware of this.
>So, for example, "Sheldon and Leona" (Sheldon is my cousin).
>
Right; that's all part of the Cooper & Ross "Me First" protocol. Cf.
the Yale-Harvard game (as it's called here), which mysteriously turns
into the Harvard-Yale game (when you go to Cambridge). Or Aunt X and
Uncle Y vs. Uncle Y and Aunt X, depending on which one is your blood
relative.
Larry
> > ----------
>> From: American Dialect Society on behalf of FRITZ JUENGLING
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: Query: why "salt and pepper" but not
>>"pepper and salt"?
>>
>> To what degree does stress play a role in such things? My in-laws
>>call my wife and me "Holly 'n' Fritz". My folks call us "Fritz 'n'
>>Holly". I think the latter is much easier to say, but the in-laws
>>don't go for it. Maybe they just have too much stress in their
>>lives already.
>> Fritz
>>
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