The changes just keep on coming.

[Peter A. McGraw]

Hi Fritz,

Yes, I've noticed "soda," too.  Maybe if we can stamp out pop machines in
the schools, we can nip this insidious trend in the bud, too.

Peter

--On Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:28 AM -0700 FRITZ JUENGLING
<juengling_fritz at SALKEIZ.K12.OR.US> wrote:

> Peter,
> I think these are the same creatures who are infecting our great NW
> culture and perverting our youth with 'soda.'  As sad as it makes me, I
> think the use of 'soda' is on the rise here. Fritz
>
>>>> pmcgraw at LINFIELD.EDU 10/20/05 10:24AM >>>
> On the topic of observed language evolution, though a totally different
> example:
>
> There are a number of Indian-derived place names around the Northwest that
> are (or were, in the good old days when people spoke correctly) pronounced
> with a final -aw.  The only examples that come to mind at the moment are
> Yakima, Washington, and the Umpqua River in Oregon, but there are others.
> I first noticed, to my annoyance, that transplants who had moved here to
> become local TV newscasters were pronouncing these names with a
> zero-stressed schwa on the end instead of the "correct" secondary-stressed
> -aw.
>
> I happened to think of this during a college trip with two colleagues of
> about my age and some students, and asked them how they pronounced the
> name of that city in Washington.  My contemporaries (both long-ago
> transplants) shared my -aw pronunciation, but the students (all of
> traditional student age, all from the Northwest) uniformly said "Yakimah"
> (same stress pattern).  So we seem to have a progression here, and no
> doubt the "dang furriner" TV newscasters will win out in the end.
>
> Peter Mc.
>
> --On Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:50 PM -0400 Wilson Gray
> <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>> I've just heard someone say, "I love my boss depends on me."
>>
>> In my lost youth, people said things like,
>>
>> "I love the fact that my boss depends on me."
>>
>> With the passage of time, I noticed that people had begun to say things
>> like,
>>
>> "I love it that my boss depends on me."
>>
>> Since this is the way that it's said in a lot of foreign languages, I
>> forced myself to become accustomed to it and even spoke that way
>> myself, from time to time.
>>
>> Then people began to say, "I love that my boss depends on me."
>>
>> Well, language changes. What can you do? So, I went with the flow.
>>
>> But, "I love my boss depends on me"?!
>>
>> As the song said, "No! I can't go for that." Not that it'll do any good.
>> Sigh!
>>
>> -Wilson Gray
>
>
>
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