Hawaiianisms; righteous

[Jonathan Lighter]

My grandmother once advised me that "Salisbury steak" was another name for "chopmeat," which was what she usually called "ground round."  So it predates Swanson's.

  It's another term that I associate mainly with restaurants.

  JL
Alice Faber <faber at HASKINS.YALE.EDU> wrote:
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How about Salisbury steak? Was that just a Swansens TV Dinner name for this?

Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> I don't believe I ever encountered these specific forms in NYC. If a restaurant, for example, offered the patty on a plate w/o the bun, with side orders of vegetables, the item was called "chopped steak" or "chopped beefsteak."
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> Butchers used these terms as well.
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> JL
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> Wilson Gray wrote:
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> In what part(s) of the country is either "hamburger steak" or "hamburg
> steak" used? Just asking for information.
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> -Wilson Gray
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> On 1/13/06, Douglas G. Wilson wrote:
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>>>In Kihei, I spotted a "hamburg" dish. I suppose that's the same as the
>>>Japanese hambaagu, made by cooking a mixture of ground beef, vegetables and
>>>sauce.
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>>I think the Japanese "hambaagu [suteiki]" is etymologically identical to
>>the English (US) "hamburg [steak]", although the typical referent may have
>>regional variations. The usual current US form would be "hamburger
>>[steak]", I think. The referent would be a lump or patty of ground beef
>>with more or less of various fillers (often more fillers in East Asia than
>>in US in my very limited experience). As I mentioned in an earlier message
>>the term "hamburger steak" has existed (US) alongside the apparently
>>synonymous "hamburg steak" since the 1890's, with "hamburger steak"
>>predominating only since the 1940's or so. I would suppose that the
>>English/Hawaiian "hamburg" is merely a conservative equivalent of
>>"hamburger", then, rather than an adoption from Japanese, although given
>>that it's in Hawaii one might suppose that this conservative form might be
>>stabilized by Japanese tourism. I deny any expertise.
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