fricative voicing / done

Beverly Flanigan flanigan at OHIO.EDU
Wed May 10 17:14:53 UTC 2006

And "slip unconsciously to the Dark Side"?  I guess I'm always there, being
a native Minnesotan [U] user for [hUfs] and [rUfs] but occasionally
switching to [rufs] and [huvz] down here in southern Ohio (notice the
different voiceless/voiced patterns).  I'm also a [hauz at z] user.

BTW, I attribute Bush's over-voicelessness to his attempt to sound
"prescriptively" right, as HE was presumably taught (or coached?).  Note
his spelling pronunciation of the indefinite article too (e.g., [e]
book)--a most annoying habit I hear more and more in young oral readers,
even radio announcers, who would never talk like that in casual speech.

At 12:21 PM 5/10/2006, you wrote:
>I'm amazed that you go around saying so many thing your  were taught.
>I was a childhood resister.
>>I've heard "roo[vz]" a lot, along with "hoo[fs]," but I still go (I know a
>>guy whose surname is "Stilgoe") with "roo[fs]" and "hoo[vz]," as I was
>>taught. BTW, is the vowel [u] as in "too" or
>>[U] as in "took"? I use [u] in both forms, again as I was taught, though
>>I've heard these words with [U] so often in so many diffrerent locales that
>>I have to monitor my pronunciation, lest I slip unconsciously to the Dark
>>Side. They're getting to be like "eether" vs. "eyether" or "eeconomic" vs.
>>"eckonomic." "Yuh pays yuh money and yuh takes yuh cherce."
>>On 5/10/06, Daniel Ezra Johnson <johnson4 at> wrote:
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>>>Subject:      fricative voicing / done
>>>they used to tell us (massachusetts, 80's, upper-middle-class area) that
>>>"done" meant cooked, so you were supposed to say "i'm finished" unless you
>>>meant that you were ready to be eaten at table.
>>>but my impression (erroneous, apparently, given some of the posts here)
>>>was that everybody actually did say "i'm done".
>>>it is interesting how as children we totally reject certain prescriptivist
>>>nugget, accept others as valid without following them, and follow others.
>>>and fascinating if there's a north-south divide (off-list i've heard an
>>>east-west one proposed, too) on hou[s]es. i don't think the voiceless form
>>>was too common in my neck of the words [stet that typo] but heard it at
>>>college from another new englander.
>>>my subjective evaluation of hou[s]es is as firmly non-standard but not
>>>firmly lower-class. although i suppose it would fit into a lower-class nyc
>>>stereotype, if not a boston one.
>>>but it's part of that subset of forms from "other dialects" that i find
>>>myself saying more and more anymore. can wi[f]es be far behind? did i ever
>>>say roo[v]s?
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