Identity of the non-existent

[Wilson Gray]

I'm pleased to say that I've long since seen the light WRT both
"Catch-22" and Heller, Jon. But I still have problems with Harold
Bloom! ;-)

-Wilson

On 10/9/06, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Harold Bloom hates it too : a "tendentious burlesque" that won't be readable past 2010.
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>   JL
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> Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> I used to hate Catch-22 myself because, having spent my service life
> as an enlisted man, I couldn't get ready for a book that claimed that
> _officers_ had any reason worthy of consideration to be "nervous in
> the service."
>
> -Wilson
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> On 10/4/06, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> > 1961 J. Heller _Catch-22_ (N.Y.: Simon & Schuster) 179: " ' What the hell are you so upset about?...I thought you didn't believe in God.'
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> > " ' I don't,' ...sobbed [Lt. Scheisskopf's wife], bursting violently into tears. 'But the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the mean and stupid God you make Him out to be.'
> >
> > " ' Yossarian laughed and turned her arm loose. 'Let's have a little more religious freedom between us,' he proposed obligingly. 'You don't believe in the God you want to, and I won't believe in the God I want to. Is that a deal?'
> >
> > "That was the most illogical Thanksgiving he could ever remember spending...."
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> > (I've had students who _hate_ this book. Sheesh !)
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> > JL
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> > Charles Doyle wrote:
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> > Though I can't find my copy of Catch-22, I'm sure there's an episode in which Yossarian and another character (perhaps a nurse) engage in a heated argument about the nature of the God whom neither believes in.
> >
> > BTW: In Larry's joke, the clause "You'll have to take it [coffee] without milk" sounds strange to me; I would say (and therefore expect to hear) "You'll have to HAVE it without milk." I believe I have heard the query, from a coffee vendor, "How do you take it?" but "How do you want it?" would sound a lot more normal.
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> > --Charlie
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> > ---- Original message ----
> > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:52:18 -0400
> > >From: Laurence Horn
> > >Subject: Re: ah/ awe
> > >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >
> > >At 11:55 AM -0400 10/3/06, Charles Doyle wrote:
> > >>If we're going to be scientific, it is important to establish with precision the identity of the substance that the moon is not made of . . . .
> > >>
> > >>--Charlie
> > >
> > >Indeed...
> > >
> > >"I'd like a cup of coffee without cream."
> > >"Sorry, we're out of cream. You'll have to take it without milk."
> > >
> > >L
> > >
> > >>_____________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>---- Original message ----
> > >>>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:13:57 EDT
> > >>>From: RonButters at AOL.COM
> > >>>Subject: Re: ? ? ? Re: [ADS-L] ah/ awe
> > >>>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >>>
> > >>>In a message dated 10/3/06 11:09:54 AM, cdoyle at UGA.EDU writes:
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> > >>>
> > >>>> Green PEAS??
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Sorry, I should have said, "the opinion that normal people from Connecticut have a monophthongal vowel in the word 'right' has the scientific status of a theory that the moon is made of green CHIVES."
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Everybody says, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange
complaint to come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
-----
Whoever has lived long enough to find out what life is knows how deep
a debt of gratitude we owe to Adam, the first great benefactor of our
race. He brought death into the world.

--Sam Clemens

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