Dawgs

[Paul Johnston]

There's a lot of variability here--actually, I think I was thinking
about the "turned capital a" but I have heard "backwards c", "capital
a" and upside-down-backwards "a" as a V1, and anything from
"backwards c" to [U] as a V2.
[OU} as a vowel isn't that common on this side of the pool except in
this class of words, but it's a common enough realization of COAT
words in Ireland and parts of the Midlands of England.  Even
Liverpool--though both [ou] and ["backwards e" + U] are more
typical.  Stoke, maybe, or Dublin.

Paul Johnston

On Oct 25, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Beverly Flanigan wrote:

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> Actually, I'll modify my vowel a bit: In this area, at least, the core
> vowel is midway between /a/ and /O/, the so-called "turned script
> a".  It's
> in IPA, and Kurath & McDavid use it in their West PA/eastern OH/
> general
> Appalachian transcriptions extensively.  The full open O doesn't
> glide into
> /U/ easily, does it?  The "turned script a" is what Wells uses for
> British
> English "pot" too.  I just elicited it today from an Ohio grad
> student who
> has homophonous 'cot' and 'caught' but with this midway vowel, not
> either
> /a/ or /O/.  It's also in Ontario, and it's the vowel in
> homophonous 'Don'
> and 'dawn' in western PA.  Is this a bit closer to what you're
> hearing in
> "dog"?
>
> At 04:03 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote:
>> I just gotta say, Beverly: the core vowel I hear in "dog" in
>> Appalachian/Inland Southern (white) speech--whatever the nature of
>> the
>> glides--is definitely /O/, not /a/!
>>
>> The situation is more complex and variable for "hog," "sausage," and
>> "laundry" (for example) in those dialects.
>>
>> --Charlie
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>>> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:24:18 -0400
>>> From: Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU>
>>> Subject: Re: Dawgs
>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>> Yes, that's BE, but it's not Appalachian/Inland Southern--for
>>> example,
>> rural Georgia.  I suggested [daUg] to capture the offglide Matt
>> mentioned, but it's not fully accurate either.  We have it in Athens
>> County/SE Ohio too, and it's definitely not [dOUg].
>>>
>>> Beverly
>>>
>>> At 11:30 PM 10/24/2006, you wrote:
>>>> I vote for Paul's 'the U-glide--like [dOUg]," which strikes me as a
>> decent representation of the BE pronunciation. Cf., e.g. the original
>> "you Ain't Nothin' But A Houn'-Dog," by "Big Mama" Willa Mae
>> Thornton or
>> "No More Doggin'," by Rosco Gordon.
>>>>
>>>> -Wilson
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The schwa glide?  Or the U-glide--like [dOUg] ?  I know that's
>>>>> an old
>> Southern form.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Johnston
>>
>>>>> On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Matthew Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought the "dawg" spelling was meant to represent not just the
>> open-o pronunciation but the more specifically southern
>> diphthongal form
>> with the schwa glide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/24/06 3:34 PM, "Charles Doyle" <cdoyle at UGA.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> .. . . that spelling in a region where "dawg" represents what has
>> been the
>> traditional pronunciation anyway--with that "open o" that dialects
>> of many
>> regions are losing apace.
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