Dawgs

[Paul Johnston]

Yes--if we take "tenseness" = " peripherality".  Some reports
(Labov?) suggest a near-merger of sauce/source with the V1 of the
first one less "tense' or peripheral.  I can't check it with my
speech as I'm rhotic, but if I imitate it, it sounds like possible NYC.

Paul Johnston
On Oct 26, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:

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> That sounds about right, Paul.  Is "tenseness" not factor here ?
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>   JL
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> Paul Johnston <paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU> wrote:
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> Ranges from a raised backwards-c long monophthong (in careful
> speech), through a diphthong starting with this vowel and going to
> schwa (thus, [O@]), through [o@] to [U@]. V1's are slightly
> centralized. I don't have a lengthened V1 in mine, but if I come out
> with a monophthongal variant, it's a long one. The stereotype is
> probably [U@].
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> In a pattern that throws Midwesterners, I have this vowel in dog, but
> centralized script a (+ or - following schwa) in all other -og words.
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> On Oct 26, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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>> How does one indicate the notorious NYC "dawg," also heard in
>> "cawfee"?
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>> It's extra tense, I think. Not elongated, though.
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>> JL
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>> "Mark A. Mandel" wrote:
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>> Bev wrote:
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>> Actually, I'll modify my vowel a bit: In this area, at least, the
>> core
>> vowel is midway between /a/ and /O/, the so-called "turned script a".
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>> Cardinal "turned script a" is low back rounded: same jaw and tongue
>> position
>> as "script a", but with lip rounding. Is that what you mean?
>> http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/vowels.html
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>> m a m
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