more begging of the question.

[Laurence Horn]

>On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:24 AM, John M. Spartz wrote:
>
>>The -ed for -ing to be the most plausible analysis. Using the -ed
>>for the -ing
>>present participle is common in some dialect areas--Pennsylvania?
>>Even here in
>>Indiana, I hear things like "my car needs washed" on a regular basis.
>
>this is not really "using the -ed *for* the -ing"; they're simply two
>different constructions, a standard one with the present participle
>and a (much-studied) regionally distributed non-standard one with the
>past participle.  we're talking not about the use of the participles
>in general, but only in the complement of a few verbs (mostly "need"
>and "want")

Also "like" in a subrange of the dialect area, as 
discussed in various publications by Beth Simon 
and Tom Murray.  When I tried googling this I 
came up with such memorable cites as:

He likes touched too

and especially

I'm looking for a discrete long-term or 
short-term sexual adventure with a woman that 
likes cuddled, fondled, lickedŠ

But, as Arnold points out, these are very different from be + Pres. Part.

Further, with "like", it's clear that the 
correspondence is not always to standard _like_ + 
Ving but sometimes only to _like_ + to be Ved: 
the guy in the former example above doesn't 
necessarily like touching (as agent), nor is the 
desiderata of the latter posting necessarily a 
woman who is fond of fondling or licking in the 
agentive sense, although I suspect those traits 
wouldn't rule her out.

LH

>, where the subject of the clause is understood as the
>object of the verb in the complement.
>
>arnold
>
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