more begging of the question.

[Beverly Flanigan]

And "want" + -ed, also discussed by Murray and Simon.

At 02:11 PM 4/12/2007, you wrote:
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> >On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:24 AM, John M. Spartz wrote:
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> >>The -ed for -ing to be the most plausible analysis. Using the -ed
> >>for the -ing
> >>present participle is common in some dialect areas--Pennsylvania?
> >>Even here in
> >>Indiana, I hear things like "my car needs washed" on a regular basis.
> >
> >this is not really "using the -ed *for* the -ing"; they're simply two
> >different constructions, a standard one with the present participle
> >and a (much-studied) regionally distributed non-standard one with the
> >past participle.  we're talking not about the use of the participles
> >in general, but only in the complement of a few verbs (mostly "need"
> >and "want")
>
>Also "like" in a subrange of the dialect area, as=20
>discussed in various publications by Beth Simon=20
>and Tom Murray.  When I tried googling this I=20
>came up with such memorable cites as:
>
>He likes touched too
>
>and especially
>
>I'm looking for a discrete long-term or=20
>short-term sexual adventure with a woman that=20
>likes cuddled, fondled, licked=8A
>
>But, as Arnold points out, these are very different from be + Pres. Part.
>
>=46urther, with "like", it's clear that the=20
>correspondence is not always to standard _like_ +=20
>Ving but sometimes only to _like_ + to be Ved:=20
>the guy in the former example above doesn't=20
>necessarily like touching (as agent), nor is the=20
>desiderata of the latter posting necessarily a=20
>woman who is fond of fondling or licking in the=20
>agentive sense, although I suspect those traits=20
>wouldn't rule her out.
>
>LH
>
> >, where the subject of the clause is understood as the
> >object of the verb in the complement.
> >
> >arnold
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