Want I should?

[Scot LaFaive]

Well here's another person's origin story about it. Not sure how accurate it
is.

"The origin is Koniówka, a small village in the south of Poland near
Zakopane.  The Polish phrase from which it derives is "Nov shmoz kapop?""

http://groups.google.co.zw/group/alt.fan.cecil-adams/browse_thread/thread/cc02fac9beafec38/17ac94cfaa6687b2

Scot


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>This is my experience as well; though I grew up in a neighborhood (in
>the=20
>1940s and 50s in Cedar Rapids, Iowa) that was not specifically German
>(the=20
>grandparents of most of my playmates were Czech), "want (that) ... should"
>w=
>as=20
>commonplace. There would have been little specifically Yiddish influence.
>
>While M. Montgomery's report of the construction in Appalachia is
>doubtless=20
>correct, this seems to be a widespread construction.
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>In a message dated 8/13/07 1:04:56 PM, zwicky at CSLI.STANFORD.EDU writes:
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>
> > i see that all of michael's examples have zero-marked complement
> > clauses.=A0 in the pennsylvania-dutch-influenced english of my
> > childhood, "want... should" can have "that" complements as well:
> > =A0=A0 I want (that) you should leave now.
> > =A0=A0 Do you want (that) I should leave now?
> >=20
> > "want... should" is another one of those items/constructions that
> > undoubtedly has arisen several times in several different places via
> > the influence of different varieties of germanic languages (yiddish
> > included).=A0 people who attribute these items specifically to yiddish
> > are taking yiddish to be the germanic substrate language par
> > excellence -- something that only someone with little experience of
> > varieties influenced by other germanic varieties would be likely to
> > do.=A0 (if it sounds sort of german, it's really yiddish.)
> >=20
> > arnold
> >=20
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