Want I should?

[Dennis Preston]

Except that "Nov shmoz kapop?" isn't Polish.

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>Well here's another person's origin story about it. Not sure how accurate it
>is.
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>"The origin is KoniÛwka, a small village in the south of Poland near
>Zakopane.  The Polish phrase from which it derives is "Nov shmoz kapop?""
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>http://groups.google.co.zw/group/alt.fan.cecil-adams/browse_thread/thread/cc02fac9beafec38/17ac94cfaa6687b2
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>Scot
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>>This is my experience as well; though I grew up in a neighborhood (in
>>the=20
>>1940s and 50s in Cedar Rapids, Iowa) that was not specifically German
>>(the=20
>>grandparents of most of my playmates were Czech), "want (that) ... should"
>>w=
>>as=20
>>commonplace. There would have been little specifically Yiddish influence.
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>>While M. Montgomery's report of the construction in Appalachia is
>>doubtless=20
>>correct, this seems to be a widespread construction.
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>>In a message dated 8/13/07 1:04:56 PM, zwicky at CSLI.STANFORD.EDU writes:
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>>  > i see that all of michael's examples have zero-marked complement
>>  > clauses.=A0 in the pennsylvania-dutch-influenced english of my
>>  > childhood, "want... should" can have "that" complements as well:
>>  > =A0=A0 I want (that) you should leave now.
>>  > =A0=A0 Do you want (that) I should leave now?
>>  >=20
>>  > "want... should" is another one of those items/constructions that
>>  > undoubtedly has arisen several times in several different places via
>>  > the influence of different varieties of germanic languages (yiddish
>>  > included).=A0 people who attribute these items specifically to yiddish
>>  > are taking yiddish to be the germanic substrate language par
>>  > excellence -- something that only someone with little experience of
>>  > varieties influenced by other germanic varieties would be likely to
>>  > do.=A0 (if it sounds sort of german, it's really yiddish.)
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>>  > arnold
>>  >=20
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Dennis R. Preston
University Distinguished Professor
Department of English
Morrill Hall 15-C
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48864 USA

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