/t/ for /d/ for word endings
Benjamin Barrett
gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM
Wed Aug 15 21:33:14 UTC 2007
I'm sorry to see: (1) you missed my point, (2) you thought I was being
smug, and (3) you think I'm from the UK.
1. The indication "-ed" simply refers to the past tense marking in
English, not the sound.
2. The use of problems like this is common for learning about phonetics.
I have always found them entertaining.
3. I'm from Seattle and am a major merger-er.
Also, there's one more common past tense ending in English, but since
you don't seem to like linguistics puzzles for the purpose of
self-edification, I'll just mention it: the zero morpheme. It's
particularly common in monosyllabic words ending in -t. BB
Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> I assume Barret was smugly pointing out that some words with endings such as
> listed below have, as he said, "sound ed" which includes a sound for "e".
> For instance "wretch" and "wretched". This is correct but doesn't get to
> the point. And "sound ed" is not ~ed but ~id - (~rechid in truespel
> notation.) But Barret's from UK, I believe, so it may be different there,
> but I think not.
>
>
>
>
>> From: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
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>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
>> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:52:00 -0500
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>> Poster: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
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>> I thought Ben was speaking of [-ed] in the voiceless environment, but he
>> wasn't. That's what I was confused of.
>> Also, not to sound rude or judgemental, but Tom, your question is
>> elementary
>> phonology and I'm rather perplexed why you need to ask it if you had
>> already
>> phonetically rewritten most of the English language. It makes me wonder
>> about your work thus far. Again, not trying to sound like an ass, just
>> mentioning.
>>
>> Scot
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU>
>>> Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:44:19 -0400
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>>> You mean Ben's email, don't you? He raises the third environment at
>>>
>> issue
>>
>>> here, as in "wanted," "waited," "raided," etc. But let's let Tom figure
>>> out the rules--or maybe he'll look in his fave Ladefoged or one of the
>>>
>> many
>>
>>> other books we've recommended on this list.
>>>
>>> At 01:30 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Poster: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
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>>>> Oh, sorry, I didn't see the end of Tom's email about voiced segments
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> [-ed]. Never mind. :)
>>>>
>>>> Scot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>> Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
>>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:25:32 -0500
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>>>>> Poster: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
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>>>>
>>>>> I'm confused. There's [-ed] in "flipped," "pissed," and "clinched?" I
>>>>>
>>> hear
>>>
>>>>> [t].
>>>>>
>>>>> Scot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM>
>>>>>> Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:11:02 -0700
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>>>>>> Poster: Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
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>>>>
>>>>>> No. There's the -ed sound as well. I'll leave it to you as a
>>>>>>
>> phonetic
>>
>>>>>> exercise to figure out the environment. BB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone said the below. Is this standard American
>>>>>>>
>> pronunciation?
>>
>>>>>>> /t/ is voiceless and /d/ is voiced. In standard American
>>>>>>>
>>>>> pronunciation,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> verbs
>>>>>>> that end with a voiceless sound (/f/k/p/s/sh/ch/) add /t/ for
>>>>>>>
>>> their
>>>
>>>>> -ed
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ending.
>>>>>>> Verbs that end with a voiced sound add /d/ for their -ed ending.
>>>>>>>
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