/t/ for /d/ for word endings
Tom Zurinskas
truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Wed Aug 15 20:11:33 UTC 2007
I assume Barret was smugly pointing out that some words with endings such as
listed below have, as he said, "sound ed" which includes a sound for "e".
For instance "wretch" and "wretched". This is correct but doesn't get to
the point. And "sound ed" is not ~ed but ~id - (~rechid in truespel
notation.) But Barret's from UK, I believe, so it may be different there,
but I think not.
Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
authorhouse.com.
>From: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
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>Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:52:00 -0500
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>Poster: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
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>I thought Ben was speaking of [-ed] in the voiceless environment, but he
>wasn't. That's what I was confused of.
>Also, not to sound rude or judgemental, but Tom, your question is
>elementary
>phonology and I'm rather perplexed why you need to ask it if you had
>already
>phonetically rewritten most of the English language. It makes me wonder
>about your work thus far. Again, not trying to sound like an ass, just
>mentioning.
>
>Scot
>
>
> >From: Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU>
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> >Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
> >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:44:19 -0400
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> >You mean Ben's email, don't you? He raises the third environment at
>issue
> >here, as in "wanted," "waited," "raided," etc. But let's let Tom figure
> >out the rules--or maybe he'll look in his fave Ladefoged or one of the
>many
> >other books we've recommended on this list.
> >
> >At 01:30 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote:
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> > >Poster: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
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> > >Oh, sorry, I didn't see the end of Tom's email about voiced segments
>and
> > >[-ed]. Never mind. :)
> > >
> > >Scot
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > > >Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > > >Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
> > > >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:25:32 -0500
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> > > >Poster: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > > >Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
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> > > >
> > > >I'm confused. There's [-ed] in "flipped," "pissed," and "clinched?" I
> >hear
> > > >[t].
> > > >
> > > >Scot
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM>
> > > > >Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > > >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > > > >Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
> > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:11:02 -0700
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> > > > >Poster: Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM>
> > > > >Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
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> > > > >No. There's the -ed sound as well. I'll leave it to you as a
>phonetic
> > > > >exercise to figure out the environment. BB
> > > > >
> > > > >Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> > > > > > Someone said the below. Is this standard American
>pronunciation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /t/ is voiceless and /d/ is voiced. In standard American
> > > >pronunciation,
> > > > > > verbs
> > > > > > that end with a voiceless sound (/f/k/p/s/sh/ch/) add /t/ for
> >their
> > > >-ed
> > > > > > ending.
> > > > > > Verbs that end with a voiced sound add /d/ for their -ed ending.
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