/t/ for /d/ for word endings

[Tom Zurinskas]

You're on point, Scot.  Barret has a point, but doesn't go to the heart of
this one.  The point is; what is the last sound /d/ or /t/ when "ed" is
added to words ending in sounds /f/k/p/s/sh/ch/, for example.

sniffed
packed
tripped
hissed
fished
pitched

My thinking is that if the word is said in isolation the "d" after these
phonemes may sound a little like a /t/, but if you add another word like
"in" after each, it goes to a /d/.  That's because the "d" tends to migrate
to the begining of next word.  It doesn't sound like "pitch tin" but "pitch
din".  Note that this is USA accent.

I do have a problem with the theory that "d" /d/ is "voiced".  It's an
unvoiced plosive to me.  Is there any voicing going on at the end of words
that end with "d", such as mad, weed, food, find, hard?  I'm not hearing
any, just a plosive and a stop.  No vibration at all indicating voicing.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4  truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
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>From: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:30:26 -0500
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>Oh, sorry, I didn't see the end of Tom's email about voiced segments and
>[-ed]. Never mind. :)
>
>Scot
>
>
> >From: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
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> >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:25:32 -0500
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> >I'm confused. There's [-ed] in "flipped," "pissed," and "clinched?" I
>hear
> >[t].
> >
> >Scot
> >
> >
> > >From: Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM>
> > >Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
> > >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:11:02 -0700
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> > >Poster:       Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM>
> > >Subject:      Re: /t/ for /d/ for word endings
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> > >
> > >No. There's the -ed sound as well. I'll leave it to you as a phonetic
> > >exercise to figure out the environment. BB
> > >
> > >Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> > > > Someone said the below.  Is this standard American pronunciation?
> > > >
> > > > /t/ is voiceless and /d/ is voiced.  In standard American
> >pronunciation,
> > > > verbs
> > > > that end with a voiceless sound (/f/k/p/s/sh/ch/) add /t/ for their
> >-ed
> > > > ending.
> > > > Verbs that end with a voiced sound add /d/ for their -ed ending.
> > > >
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