Nobel Prize for Archaeological Grammar

Arnold M. Zwicky zwicky at CSLI.STANFORD.EDU
Sun Aug 26 17:24:44 UTC 2007


On Aug 24, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Jon Lighter wrote:

> Sounds normal (albeit nonstandard) to me.

and to me.  you can google up about a thousand examples each of "her
and her husband are" and "him and his wife are".

i believe the non-standard pronoun case choice is especially common
in coordination with relational nouns.  i have a fair number of
examples from unscripted conversations on NPR.


> Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU> wrote:
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> Just one more example of acc. used for nom.--surprising even to me:
> On NPR
> this morning, a female commentator (name?) reported that "Her and her
> husband" (or father, or whatever--can't recall) had to do something or
> other. This isn't hypercorrection in the usual sense of the word; it's
> typical colloquial speech probably used under the pressure of a brief
> unscripted news report from the field. I heard something similar
> from my
> Linguistics department chair recently, come to think of it, and my
> grad
> students do this often in colloquial speech.

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