Jesse et al: Further antedating eggnog to 1735 !?

[Joel S. Berson]

Thanks, Fred -- now I'll skip ECCO, and (I assume) EEBO also.

Joel

At 12/26/2007 10:04 PM, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
>I haven't followed this thread closely enough to know whether the
>following is an antedating, but perhaps it is of some value:
>
>1795  Freneau, Philip Morin. Poems written between the years 1768 &
>1794 (Eighteenth Century Collections Online)  345
>To the sign of the Anchor we then were directed,
>Where captain O'Keef a fine turkey dissected;
>And Bryan O'Bluster made love to egg-nog.
>
>Oh, Joel, don't bother going to Harvard to check out the alleged
>1735 Georgia session laws cite; I'm sure it's much later than
>1735.  In fact, it seems quite clear that it should be dated 1958.
>
>Fred Shapiro
>
>
>
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>Joel S. Berson [Berson at ATT.NET]
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>Subject: Re: Jesse et al:  Further antedating eggnog to 1735 !?
>
>I see on Language Log there is a link to
>http://virtual-grub-street.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-on-etymology-of-eggnog.html
>with an alleged 1735 "egg nog" from Georgia!  [Google Books, snippet
>view.]  But this may be just another Google Books misdirection, since
>the "Session Laws" is a multi-volume work, first issued in 1735.  In
>fact, I believe there was not even a legislature in Georgia in 1735
>-- it was governed by the Trustees, from England, with Oglethorpe as
>military commander but not governor.  So what year is page 262
>for?  Another suspicious datum is that the same sentence includes
>"ice cream", which OED2 dates from 1744, although a 10-year
>antedating has perhaps a non-zero probability.
>
>Jesse, I can go to the Harvard Law School library for this (it's on
>microfiche).  Should I bother?
>
>[From Google Books:]
>Acts Passed by the General Assembly of Georgia - Page 262
>by Georgia - Session laws - 1735
>... skimmed, chocolate or flavored milk or drink, buttermilk, fluid
>cream, ice cream, ice milk, egg nog or other dessert, ice cream or
>ice milk mixes.
>
>(With respect to Sam Clements' comment about editions of Boucher, I
>think it's pointless to look at even the 1807 edition -- there are
>too many before-1800 instances in EAN.)
>
>Joel
>
>At 12/26/2007 07:17 PM, Sam Clements wrote:
> >My reading of Matthews DofA cites Boucher, 1832-33!
> >
> >Sam Clements
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
> >To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 7:08 PM
> >Subject: Re: antedating: eggnog (c1774)
> >
> >
> >>I assume this kills Heidi Harley's joyeux noel -- but do these two
> >>dictionaries have a quote from 1775, or just a quote from Boucher's
> >>1807 book?  The former would be an antedating; the latter is too late
> >>to be useful, I think.
> >>
> >>Joel
> >>
> >>At 12/26/2007 03:34 PM, Joanne M. Despres wrote:
> >>>Sorry to be a killjoy, but Mitford Mathews's _Dictionary of
> >>>Americanisms_ and William Craigie's _Dictionary of American
> >>>English_ both quote this passage, dating it ca. 1775.
> >>>
> >>>Joanne
> >>>
> >>>On 23 Dec 2007, at 2:06, Benjamin Zimmer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Just in time for the holidays, a fine antedating from Heidi Harley:
> >>> >
> >>> > http://heideas.blogspot.com/2007/12/antedated-eggnog.html
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --Ben Zimmer
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