Orange, forest, etc.

[Paul Johnston]

Someone mentioned orange, forest, and all those historical short o + r
+ V cases.  Does anyone know what exactly the pattern is for this
group in the Northeast?  I have the CAUGHT vowel here, but I suspect
it's not really native to me, though those are the usual forms in
Morristown, New Jersey (which has the CAUGHT vowel for natives) where
I went to high school.  My NYC-born parents had /A/ = COT here, as
does my NYC-born older sister, and I think that I probably did when I
was a real little kid in Monroe, New York where I was born.  I always
thought that the open o forms were Midland intruders, like fronted /
o/ or fronted /u/  or [aeu] in OUT, which are fairly common in
Northwest and North Central New Jersey, but not so much in Orange
County (with COT, by natives), N ew York.  Is there change going on
here?

Paul Johnston
On Dec 27, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Dennis Preston wrote:

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> Has there ever been a pronunciation of "who" with /hw/?
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>>  From a recent column about a legendary Boston politician:
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>> <Freddieís greatest moment came during his Parkman House hearings,
>> when
>> he exposed Mayor Whiteís profligate spending at his palatial home
>> away
>> from home.
>> ìWho ate at the Parkman House?î Freddie thundered, his unlit cigar
>> clenched in his teeth. ìH-W-O-H - who?î>
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>> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?
>> articleid=1062332
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>> Phil Cleary
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