"The Horse You Rode In On"

Mon Feb 26 18:19:29 UTC 2007

This is true. I have found Google Books to be highly valuable for antedating
regional words/phrases, but not so much with slang. Definitely not enough
vulgarity in 19th century literature for my taste.
Scot

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>May I be pardoned for saying, with the grim satisfaction of the weary and a
>   / sup'soN / (damned cedillas) of insufferable pride, that searches of
>Google, Google Books, and Google Groups don't often turn up antedatings of
>current HDAS entries.
>
>   That's not to discourage anybody from looking.
>
>   Instead, it's a flagrantly self-serving reminder that HDAS I and II
>contain virtually no computer-found citations (though Jesse did add a few
>to Vol. II).
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>   JL
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>Scot LaFaive wrote:
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>I did a search of Google Books and Google for antedates but couldn't find=
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>any. I did find two interesting notes on the phrase. For one, it seems
>that=
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>the phrase "fuck/screw you and the horse you rode in on" is often clipped
>t=
>o=20
>"and the horse you rode in on," allowing for it to be used in proper=20
>company. I also found this variation: "Fuck your self-sufficiency and the=
>=20
>horse you rode in on." I found it interesting because I'm not sure I've=20
>heard heard or seen it without the object of "fuck" being a person, and=20
>especially not an abstract noun.
>
><<<
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>A Google search for "horse it rode in on" turns up "about 610" hits. Many
>o=
>f=20
>them have no verb, or leave it implicit ("I have the same feeling about=20
>gauge (and the horse it rode in on)!"), but 17 of the first 50 have
>"fuck",=
>=20
>"screw", or an equivalent graphic bleep (what should we call those?=20
>euphemisms? eugraphisms?). Many of the antecedents are more-or-less
>concret=
>e=20
>("ribbing" in the knitting sense; "the world"; "the nuke navy"; "XML").
>But=
>=20
>I also see here "winter", "Kyoto" (the Kyoto Accord on global warming),
>and=
>=20
>"the work ethic".
>
>I'm more interested in the disconnect, in your quote, between the object
>of=
>=20
>"fuck" ("your self-sufficiency") and the rider of the horse ("you"). It=20
>feels to me like a blend of "fuck your self-sufficiency", or "fuck you and=
>=20
>your self-sufficiency", with "fuck you and the horse you rode in on".
>
>=09-----
>
>Fuck the world and the horse it rode in on.... [Archive] - The ...
>[Archive] Fuck the world and the horse it rode in on.... NA!P General=20
>Discussion.
>www.aeforge.com/aeforum/archive/index.php/t-3308.html
>
>Internet Archive: Details: CrowCast #21: Fuck XML and the horse it ...
>Crow NighthawkCrowCast #21: Fuck XML and the horse it rode in on (13:19)=20
>(July 8, 2006). A buddy gets hired at work, XML pissing me off, soldiers=20
>getting ...
>www.archive.org/details/CrowCast21
>
>Waiting For Bob: June 12, 2001: We're On Hiatus, But... (Day 2)
>Screw that, and the horse it rode in on. Before we start again, we're
>havin=
>g=20
>at least full week of strips in the bank. We will be back when we have at=
>=20
>least ...
>www.waitingforbob.com/index.php/20010612
>
>THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THERE WERE TWO SUBMARINE FORCES
>"Screw the nuke navy and the horse it rode in on." That was usually good
>fo=
>r=20
>a half hour of creative complaining and laughs. But, deep down inside we
>al=
>l=20
>=2E..
>www.olgoat.com/substuff/dex247.htm
>
>Evil Avatar Forums - Poll: Serious or Non-Serious Games
>Fuck your shitty writing and the horse it rode in on. If you don't let me=
>=20
>skip your cutscenes, I'm getting up from the couch and doing something
>else=
>=20
>while ...
>www.evilavatar.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-17330.html
>
>GoodAirs: More than a bad translation of "Buenos Aires": It=92s ...
>Prices generally run from $100-$200/night and come with free WiFi and
>groov=
>y=20
>interior design. So screw the Holiday Inn and the horse it rode in on. ...
>www.goodairs.com/2006/06/its-raining-boutique-hotels.html
>
>Knit Sisters =BB Blog Archive =BB In the neck of time
>=2E.. dramatic claims that I later must disavow (e.g., =93I hate knitting
>a=
>nd I=20
>never want to knit again,=94 and =93F*ck this ribbing and the horse it
>rode=
>in=20
>on=94). ...
>www.knitsisters.com/2007/02/13/neck_of_time/
>
>Tim Worstall: Solving Global Warming.
>=2E.. without carbon emissions, but power cheaper than today and that=92s=
>=20
>coming, with no emissions a side effect. So screw Kyoto and the horse it=20
>rode in on. ...
>timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2005/04/solving_global_.html
>
>New site to automaticly creat your feed [Archive] - PCA Forum
>As my great great grandmother used to say, "**** that and the horse it
>rode=
>=20
>in on. And where the hell are my pancakes? I ordered pancakes, god
>******!"=
>=20
>=2E..
>www.podcastalley.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-123036.html
>
>Appendixes
>=2E.. Sex NBFD No Big [Frigging] Deal NFW No [FrigginG] Way NTYMI Now that
>=
>you=20
>mention it OFTPATHIRIO Oh [Fool] This Place And The Horse It Rode In On
>OIC=
>=20
>Oh, ...
>riverbbs.net/dict/end.html
>
>FileForum | Resource Hunter
>Screw ResHacker and the horse it rode in on. Now see whats really going on=
>=20
>in my programs.. Great Job!! I love it!! Rating: ...
>fileforum.betanews.com/detail/1018947491
>
>Bass Fishing Forums - Cabin fever is setting in - BAD
>GORE can stick it in his ear, gimme Global Warming, and you can start it=20
>tomorrow. ^&%($$#, *&*%$# winter, and the horse it rode in on. Back to top=
>=20
>=2E..
>www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=3D1171640151/22
>
>All AgitProp, all the Time...: I just need to ask...
>=2E.. with Sitting Bull (Graham Greene) fawning over the North-West
>Mounted=
>=20
>Police and telling the U.S. cavalry to go f*ck itself and the horse it
>rode=
>=20
>in on. ...
>fim.ondragonswing.com/archives/006688.html
>
>This is a question for the ladies... - Los Angeles - Yelp
>Eff this place and the wax horse it rode in on:
>http://www.yelp.com/biz/...=
>=20
>This place however is nice and for your first time, I'd recommend it: ...
>www.yelp.com/topic/g4r8SC5HAII6033-5FE3cg
>
>Dark UI - Planet Elder Scrolls
>=2E.. joke. if the developer don't need to get paid, why the hell should i
>=
>pay=20
>some goddamn website? *bleep* file planet and the horse it rode in on. ...
>planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=3DOblivionMods.Detail&id=3D162
>
>Acronyms and Smilies
>OFTPATHIRIO, Oh F..k This Place And The Horse It Rode In On! PFM, Pure=20
>F***ing Magic. PITA, Pain In The Arse. RTFM, Read The F..k. ...
>www.riverland.net.au/text/look_first/netcode.html
>
>The Moon Food Cafe: Chapter 4: Stalking the FMZ
>Screw the "work ethic" and the horse it rode in on. He wants to pursue his=
>=20
>own ends, unimpeded by the jerks he normally wouldn't speak to if suddenly=
>=20
>they ...
>scatt.bilegrip.com/mfc4.htm
>
>
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