words starting with "ex"

Sun Jul 29 13:28:30 UTC 2007

I should like to point out that, unlike other reference-book publishers, we at Random House (and other companies with which I have been affiliated) have always actually consulted with our consultants rather than simply exploit their names for window dressing.
  The First Edition of The Random House Unabridged (1966) and of The Random House College Edition (1968) enjoyed the advice and involvement of, among others, Raven and Virginia McDavid, Arthur Bronstein, and Hans Kurath, with whom I met with occasionally to discuss specific matters and who (laboriously) reviewed the lexicographic information (including pronunciations) in the subject areas in which they offered their expertise.
  L. Urdang

Mircea Sauciuc <msauciuc at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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When exactly did m-w become a leader in pronunciation? Note that I'm
asking about pronunciation, not lexicography.

If you were at all serious about dialects and *real* scholarly
research in pronunciation, it strikes me as odd, to say the least,
that not once in all your posts have you mentioned anything about your
exhaustive research in the Atlas of North American English. Now
there's a source that will give you solid data. And what exactly do
you have to show? Oh, that's right, your ears and the all-mighty m-w.
Or you feel you're above the ANAE and clearly m-w's "opinion" is
worth more than ANAE. Not to mention *all* the true scholarly
articles written in this area use m-w. Of course. True scholarly
research, Tom. Why don't you give that a shot and see what happens.

So what's your beef with ANAE?

On 7/27/07, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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> Another no opinion, just a criticism. And this ones a beaut. "i'm not
> going to attack you but I don't think you believe half of what you say."
> Imagine if you were really trying to attack me. You ought to ask m-w.com
> why they restricted themselves to m-w.com pronunciation.
>
> I've been an experimental psychologist doing nonparametic human factors
> tests on subject matter specialists for many years. I'll be glad to discuss
> test design with you. Maybe send you my co-authored paper on it.
>
> My final take on this is that I'll follow m-w.com's lead having no data to
> the contrary and no one else having an opinion based on what they hear. But
> in listening to speakers on TV I certainly hear both "ex" and "ix".
>
> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
> authorhouse.com.
>
>
>
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>
> >From: Mircea Sauciuc
> >Reply-To: American Dialect Society
> >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: words starting with "ex"
> >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:33:32 -0500
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> >Frankly, the reason no one is =B3giving their opinion=B2 is because you
> >have
> >zero methodology to your =B3research=B2 (if we can call it that) and your
> >controls are non-existent. I=B9m not trying to attack you, but as it has
> >bee=
> >n
> >mentioned here in the past, nobody takes you seriously because of your
> >=B3research=B2 flaws and your serious lack of linguistic knowledge.
> >According
> >to what you=B9ve written, you are using m-w.com pronunciation as your
> >method
> >of data collection. Several messages ago, you claimed you go out into the
> >field and collect data. If so, why restrict yourself to m-w.com
> >pronunciation? Seriously, Tom, I think you say these things on this forum
> >in order to get people worked up. Personally, I don=B9t think it=B9s
> >possible
> >that you actually believe half of the things you say.
> >
> >And you are clearly unaware of any psycholinguistic research that states
> >(i=
> >n
> >a nutshell) that you don=B9t always hear what you hear. So I wouldn=B9t be
> >preaching =B3I go by what my EAR HEARS...=B2 That=B9s nice for a child to
> >say wh=
> >o
> >doesn=B9t know better, but from a grown man who claims he does research is
> >utterly unacceptable.
> >
> >
> >On 7/27/07 4:02 PM, "Tom Zurinskas" wrote:
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> > > Because I've been writing a pronunciation guide for English based on the
> > > spoken words in m-w.com and American Heritage "talking" dictionaries, I
> >t=
> >ake
> > > the perspective of "how does this word sound" whether or not it
> >correlate=
> >s
> > > to the written phonetics in those editions.
> > >=20
> > > For many of the words beginning with "ex" the phonetics written in
> >m-w.co=
> >m
> > > prescribes "ix". The speakers are in lock step with this and say "ix".
> >=
> >I
> > > think that if every one of them were phonetically written "ex" and
> >spoken
> > > "ex" no one would have any heartburn with that. But "ix" just does not
> >si=
> >t
> > > right with me as descriptive of an American norm. (Not to put down
> >m-w.c=
> >om
> > > which is good job and great resource.)
> > >=20
> > > Basically no one has given their opinion on this but me as yet.
> > >=20
> > > Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> > > See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
> > > authorhouse.com.
> > >=20
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