How they say German

Thu Jun 21 01:20:21 UTC 2007

Listen to the words on travlang.com and see what you think. The link was
provided.  Youir argumnent is with them on "Po niemiecku".  But as an
English only speaker, I'm writing in truespel what I hear.  This should be
taken as how an English only adept would hear other languages.

Truespel is a simple phonetic notation designed to be English friendly and
keyboard friendly.  It enables teaching kids phonemic awareness for reading.
  There a many envisioned uses.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4  truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
authorhouse.com.

>From: Dennis Preston <preston at MSU.EDU>
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>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: How they say German
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:28:57 -0400
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>Colleagues,
>
>"Po niemiecku" does not mean "German" (neither
>the people nor the nationality) in Polish; it is
>an adverbial which means (roughly) "Germanly" or
>"in the German manner" and means to speak German.
>The so-called phonetics, or whatever bullshit
>truespel is, is laughably off since the glide
>onsets to the first two vocalic segments of
>"niemiecku" (which are the same except for
>stress) are not indicated, and, even sillier,
>they are shown as segmentally different, but they
>are not.
>
>The phonetics are, of course, roughly (a kind
>word actually; they are simply incorrect)
>phonemic, not phonetic at all.
>
>Who is Tom Zurinskas and what is this crap? I've
>been off the list for a while plying my trade in
>the old Country.
>
>dInIs
>
>
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> >Poster:       Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Subject:      How they say German
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> >Germans don't call themselves German.  Its ~Doich.  Strange that we call
> >other people by names they don't use themselves.
> >
> >Below are words for "German" in other languages as heard on travlang.com
> >Word of the Day.  Phonetics are in truespel.
> >
> >http://us.f528.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=4841_3551761_48469_1373_4029_0_208154_15790_1603225941&Idx=105&YY=92900&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&inc=25&order=up&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=Trash
> >
> >
> >Arabic Alalmania   ~Elelmanneeyu   (double consonant starts a stressed
> >syllable. ~u is "uh".
> >Dutch Duits ~Duts
> >English German  ~Jermin
> >French allemand ~Elmun
> >German Deutsch  ~Doich
> >Japanese Doitsugo ~Doitsuegoe'  (~ue is long u.  ~oe is long o.  Ending
> >apostrophe is glottal stop.)
> >Korean Dok-il-o  ~Doekkeedoe  (~ee is long e)
> >Mandarin dÈ yuv.  ~Doiyeu  (~eu is the vowel in "her" without the "r".
> >Polish po niemiecku ~Poe Neemmitskue
> >Portuguese alem“o  ~Elummun
> >Russian Nemetsky  ~Nemyeski  (~i is short i)
> >Spanish alem·n   Aaleemman  (~aa is "ah", ~a is short a)
> >Swahili Kijerumani  ~Teefermmaanee   (I hear ~t for the K, Maybe poor
>audio)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> >See truespel.com - and the 4  truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
> >authorhouse.com.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Dennis Baron <debaron at UIUC.EDU>
> >>Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>Subject: The Army Language Corps: We speak Farsi so you donít have to
> >>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:11:34 -0500
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> >>Poster:       Dennis Baron <debaron at UIUC.EDU>
> >>Subject:
> >>=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?The_Army_Language_Corps:_We_speak_Farsi_so_you_?
> >>                = =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?don=92t_have_to?=
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> >>There's a new post on the Web of Language
> >>
> >>The Army Language Corps: We speak Farsi so you don=92t have to
> >>
> >>While the U.S. contemplates making English either its official or its
>=20=
> >>
> >>national language, continues to discourage immigrants from speaking =20
> >>their own native languages, and actively encourages Americans to =20
> >>remain resolutely monolingual, the army has been quietly teaching =20
> >>strategic foreign languages to key personnel on a strictly need-to-=20
> >>know basis.
> >>
> >>Since 1776 the American military has defended the nation against all =20
> >>enemies foreign and domestic, and since 1941, when it began secretly =20
> >>teaching Japanese to U.S. soldiers, most of them of Japanese =20
> >>ancestry, it has been defending us against all languages foreign and =20
> >>domestic as well.
> >>
> >>The army=92s elite Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California,
> >>=20=
> >>
> >>the self-proclaimed =93language capital of the world,=94 now teaches 24
> >>=20=
> >>
> >>key languages to military and other government personnel, condensing =20
> >  >four years of study into freeze-dried packets of
>=93languages-ready-to-=20=
> >>
> >>speak=94 that take just six to 18 months. So willing is the army to do
>=20=
> >>
> >>the talking for us that the motto of its Farsi program is, =93We speak
>=20=
> >>
> >>Farsi so you don=92t have to.=94
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read the rest on  the Web of Language
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> >>
> >>www.uiuc.edu/goto/weboflanguage
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> >>
> >>
> >>(and sorry for the hat trick of posts this week -- )
> >>
> >>Dennis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Dennis Baron
> >>Professor of English and Linguistics
> >>Department of English
> >>University of Illinois
> >>608 S. Wright St.
> >>Urbana, IL 61801
> >>
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