How they say German
Tom Zurinskas
truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Sat Jun 30 03:14:05 UTC 2007
Scott,
Yes, English is the world's most important language. For one thing 95% of
the world's scientific journals are written in English. Note that 68% of
the native English speakers are American, and if you include Canada 73% of
the native English speakers are North American. That makes the American
dialect (like you hear on the evening news) the primary world English
dialect.
What does using one symbol per sound buy you? Only shortness. At the cost
of encrypting the notation into a user unfriendly way and possibly keyboard
unfriendly way. There are several new dictionary key notations (McGraw-Hill
Childrens, Jolly), and they've abandoned one symbol per sound. Truespel
tries to be as close to English as possible. In fact truespel retains
normal capitalization and punctuation as well as being phonetic. This has
its advantages. For instance dInIs would be in truespel ~Dinis. The
capital D means a proper name. The tilde means its in truespel. It's the
only notation I know of that indicates what it is.
Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>From: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
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>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: How they say German
>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:20:15 -0500
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>Poster: Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
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>So I went to truespel.com and read this proclamation: "Truespel is the
>World’s first “pronunciation guide spelling system” based American English,
>the world’s most important language."
>"The world's most important language?"
>Perhaps you might argue that about the English language, but American
>English? No, it is not the most important "language" on the planet; it is
>more a dialect than a language anyway.
>As for advice and suggestions, if you want a phonetic alphabet that this
>one-to-one and easy to learn, wouldn't it be best to have one symbol to
>each
>sound instead of doubling up letters? Just my thought on that.
>
>Scot LaFaive
>
>
>
> >From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: How they say German
> >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:04:48 +0000
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> >Poster: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Subject: Re: How they say German
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> >
> >Mandel seem very cranky to me. I never intimated that I know "everything
> >about language". I'm merely a monolinguist in English applying a simple
> >dictionary key to spell USA English and other languages phonetically in
>an
> >English user friendly way. This would be accessible to children, much
>as
> >IBM's Writing to Read was, an idea way before its time that really
>worked.
> >
> >USA kids need help in learning reading. USA educators have been using
> >"whole language" for reading instruction which mandates that the teacher
> >NOT
> >teach that letters stand for sounds. The USA National Reading Panel said
> >this is wrong. "Phonemic awareness" is a key attribute of successful
> >readers. But there is no keyboard friendly, English friendly way to
>spell
> >English phonemes. Now, UK next fall is turning to "synthetic phonics" to
> >do
> >the trick, but truespel goes the extra step and is a phonetic spelling so
> >simple that only 40 sound spellings need be learned to read English. Not
> >only that but it is retained as the dictionary pronunciation guide and
> >translation guide to other languages.
> >
> >Because truespel uses regular letters, it can be used in spreadsheets for
> >analysis, which I've done. I've expanded to other languages to see how
>it
> >works there. It integrates these areas for the first time. This is a
>good
> >thing and I welcome any who would like to participate. Go to
>truespel.com
> >to see the free converter. Use the URL converter there to see your and
> >other web pages converted to truespel phonetics.
> >
> >I believe truespel will replace the nonstandard pronunciation guides that
> >we
> >have in our dictionaries with a truespel guide just because it's so
>useful
> >and actually superior. I request all advice and suggestions, just don't
>be
> >vague.
> >
> >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> >See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
> >authorhouse.com.
> >
> >
> > >From: Mark Mandel <thnidu at GMAIL.COM>
> > >Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: How they say German
> > >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:59:07 -0400
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> > >Poster: Mark Mandel <thnidu at GMAIL.COM>
> > >Subject: Re: How they say German
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> > >
> > >Poor dInIs, you've come back into the middle of this. Tom Zurinskas is
>a
> > >crank who thinks that he knows all there is to know about language, and
> > >that
> > >he's qualified to pontificate on it and ignore anything anyone else
>says
> > >because he's sold some copies of his self-published books and is
> >therefore
> > >a language professional. I have him killfiled. I suggest you do the
>same.
> > >
> > >m a m
> > >
> > >On 6/20/07, RonButters at aol.com <RonButters at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 6/20/07 6:29:19 PM, preston at MSU.EDU writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Colleagues,
> > > > >=20
> > > > > "Po niemiecku" does not mean "German" (neither
> > > > > the people nor the nationality) in Polish; it is
> > > > > an adverbial which means (roughly) "Germanly" or
> > > > > "in the German manner" and means to speak German.
> > > > > The so-called phonetics, or whatever bullshit
> > > > > truespel is, is laughably off since the glide
> > > > > onsets to the first two vocalic segments of
> > > > > "niemiecku" (which are the same except for
> > > > > stress) are not indicated, and, even sillier,
> > > > > they are shown as segmentally different, but they
> > > > > are not.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > The phonetics are, of course, roughly (a kind
> > > > > word actually; they are simply incorrect)
> > > > > phonemic, not phonetic at all.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Who is Tom Zurinskas and what is this crap? I've
> > > > > been off the list for a while plying my trade in
> > > > > the old Country.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > dInIs
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > >---------------------- Information from the mail
> > > > > >header -----------------------
> > > > > >Sender:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 American Dialect Society <
> > > > ADS-L at LISTSER=
> > > > V.UGA.EDU>
> > > > > >Poster:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Tom Zurinskas
> > ><truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > > > > >Subject:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 How they say German
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > -----
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Germans don't call themselves German.=C2=A0 Its ~Doich.=C2=A0
> >Strange
> > > > tha=
> > > > t we call
> > > > > >other people by names they don't use themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Below are words for "German" in other languages as heard on
> > > > travlang.com
> > > > > >Word of the Day.=C2=A0 Phonetics are in truespel.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >http://us.f528.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=3D4841_3551761_48469_
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >1373_4029_0_208154_15790_1603225941&Idx=3D105&YY=3D92900&y5beta=3Dyes&y5be=
> > > > ta=3Dyes&inc=3D25&
> > > > > order=3Dup&sort=3Ddate&pos=3D0&view=3Da&head=3Db&box=3DTrash
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Arabic Alalmania=C2=A0=C2=A0 ~Elelmanneeyu=C2=A0=C2=A0 (double
> > > > consonant=20=
> > > > starts a stressed
> > > > > >syllable. ~u is "uh".
> > > > > >Dutch Duits ~Duts
> > > > > >English German=C2=A0 ~Jermin
> > > > > >French allemand ~Elmun
> > > > > >German Deutsch=C2=A0 ~Doich
> > > > > >Japanese Doitsugo ~Doitsuegoe'=C2=A0 (~ue is long u.=C2=A0 ~oe is
> > >long
> > > > o.=
> > > > =C2=A0 Ending
> > > > > >apostrophe is glottal stop.)
> > > > > >Korean Dok-il-o=C2=A0 ~Doekkeedoe=C2=A0 (~ee is long e)
> > > > > >Mandarin d=C3=88 yuv.=C2=A0 ~Doiyeu=C2=A0 (~eu is the vowel in
> >"her"
> > > > with=
> > > > out the "r".
> > > > > >Polish po niemiecku ~Poe Neemmitskue
> > > > > >Portuguese alem=E2=80=9Co=C2=A0 ~Elummun
> > > > > >Russian Nemetsky=C2=A0 ~Nemyeski=C2=A0 (~i is short i)
> > > > > >Spanish alem=C2=B7n=C2=A0=C2=A0 Aaleemman=C2=A0 (~aa is "ah", ~a
>is
> > > > short=
> > > > a)
> > > > > >Swahili Kijerumani=C2=A0 ~Teefermmaanee=C2=A0=C2=A0 (I hear ~t
>for
> > >the
> > > > K,=
> > > > Maybe poor=20
> > > > > audio)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > The [t] is pronounced in the Russian, I'm pretty sure. Both the
> >Russian
> > > > and=20
> > > > the Polish mean, literally, 'the dumb ones', right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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