MILF (was Re: change from the bottom up)

Tue May 1 02:26:02 UTC 2007

I can say "That test was a motherfucker," but "motherfucker" here means
difficult, not interesting. Is the example you gave still "current" in the
dialect? Just curious.

Scot LaFaive

>From: Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM>
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>Subject: Re: MILF (was Re: change from the bottom up)
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:16:18 -0400
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>Well, can you say something like, "[1]That shit was a most
>motherfucker!" without having to compose it, i.e. automatically, and
>without any doubt that your hearers will understand completely? If you
>can, then "motherfucker" is an integral part of your speech, in the
>sense that I mean. As The Meters once put it, "[2]That shit be fire!"
>
>[1]That was really interesting!
>[2]That's (usually) attention-getting!
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>-Wilson
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>On 4/30/07, Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > >BTW, has "motherfucker," while i was sleeping, become the integral part
>of
> > >white speeech that it is of black speech.
> >
> > I would think so. I've never thought of "motherfucker" as anything but
> > native. Not sure what you mean by "integral."
> >
> > Scot LaFaive
> >
> >
> > >From: Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM>
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> > >Subject: Re: MILF (was Re: change from the bottom up)
> > >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:30:44 -0400
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> > >Well, she was known as "Stifler's Mom." BTW, has "motherfucker," while
> > >i was sleeping, become the integral part of white speeech that it is
> > >of black speech, such that it would serve as the basis for new slang?
> > >
> > >-Wilson
> > >
> > >On 4/30/07, Baker, John <JMB at stradley.com> wrote:
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> > > >         American Pie, the 1999 movie that brought "milf" to a broad
> > > > audience, used "mom," but most of the pre-American Pie cites on
>Google
> > > > Groups use "mother."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John Baker
> > > >
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>Behalf
> > > > Of James Harbeck
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:15 PM
> > > > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: MILF (was Re: change from the bottom up)
> > > >
> > > > >For me, I think I've heard MILF spoken out almost exclusively as
>"mom"
> > > > >not "mother."
> > > >
> > > > I find this interesting. It's not my experience -- rather the
>opposite.
> > > > And I had always assumed that it was a phrase modelled on the
>venerable
> > > > "motherfucker."
> > > >
> > > > A Google poll gets me 32,500 for full-phrase "mother i'd like to
>fuck"
> > > > and 11,700 for "mom i'd like to fuck"; {"mom i'd like to" MILF} gets
> > > > 13,800, and {"mother i'd like to" MILF} gets 32,700, meaning that
>there
> > > > are more instances where the vulgarity is left out of the
>explanation
> > > > that use "mom" than that use "mother", but otherwise "mother" is
>roughly
> > > > triple "mom".
> > > >
> > > > James Harbeck.
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