stars and ours

[Dennis R. Preston]

Seems very unlikely since Canadian raising is limited to closed
syllables before voiceless consonants.

And poets do not use spectrograms.

dInIs, who is much pickier than any poet when it comes to vowels
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>I believe I raise "eye." (Though now that I've said them 5 billion
>times . . . .)
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>(Sorry, perhaps it was poets nitpicking over how they rhymed:
>Atlanta, GA vs Edmonton, AB.)
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>>  Help? What Canadian practice cause "my" and "eye" to not rhyme?
>>  Neither is a candidate for so-called "Canadian raising."
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>>  dInIs
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>>>  I can just give a cheers to the W. CND. pronunciation. That is how I
>>>  would say it. (I'm still happy I don't consider "my" and "eye" to
>>>  rhyme though--Brown's MFA poetry program was a very interesting study
>>>  in pronunciation.)
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>>>  On May 31, 2007, at 8:09 AM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>>>>   It sounds like Philadelphian to me. It's a feature of Chomsky's
>>>>   speech.
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>>>>   -Wilson
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>>>>   On 5/30/07, James Harbeck <jharbeck at sympatico.ca> wrote:
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>>>>>   Just read a poem by a high school student from western Canada that
>>>>>   illustrates a standard Canadian pronunciation rather well: it
>>>>>  rhymes
>>>>>   "stars" with "ours" -- quite reasonably, though I'm not used to
>>>>>   seeing those two words matched, perhaps because at least in my
>>>>>   generation and earlier ones, we were taught that "ours" was
>>>>>  properly
>>>>>   pronounced like "hours," even if it almost never really was by us.
>>>>>   Evidently even that awareness of [aUrz] as a citation form is
>>>>>   disappearing. (This is from a well-educated kid, too -- a gifted
>>>>>   student, graduating high school at 16.)
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>>>>>   That one's also common in much of the US, no?
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>>>>>   James Harbeck.
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