Two other countries separated by a common language
Joel S. Berson
Berson at ATT.NET
Mon Oct 1 13:24:35 UTC 2007
Doesn't anyone ask for the "Men's Room" or
"Ladies' Room" for public facilities any
more? It's what I see on the doors in the U.S.
Joel
At 10/1/2007 10:46 AM, you wrote:
>If anyone's interested in more stories of international toilet
>misunderstandings, I covered the toilet/bathroom/restroom/WC (etc.) issue
>on Separated by a Common Language:
>
><http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2007/03/toilet.html>
>
>Lynne
>
>--On Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:10 pm -0400 Laurence Horn
><laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
>
>>At 5:19 PM -0400 9/30/07, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>>At a party in Amsterdam, I once asked my host where the bathroom was.
>>>He graciously pointed it out to me. (We'd all been drinking quite a
>>>bit, so the alcohol probably prevented him from noticing any strange
>>>about such a request in the middle of a party.) I went there and, sure
>>>enough, I found myself in the bathroom. However, my intention was to
>>>take not a bath, but a leak. The second request got through my host's
>>>alcoholic haze and he realized that what I mean was the
>>>borrowed-from-BrE W[ater]C[loset], pronounced approximately "way say"
>>>in Dutch of the "Seventies.
>>>
>>>-Wilson
>>
>>An anecdote along the same lines:
>>During my first week in Paris on my junior year
>>abroad in '63, with my many years of grade
>>school, high school, and college French under my
>>belt, I found myself in a subway station with the
>>compelling need to inquire of someone "Où est la
>>salle de bains?" This was met with incredulous
>>derision: "Une salle de bains dans le métro?!?"
>>Finally someone took pity on me and pointed out
>>the relevant door with "W.C." on it. I
>>eventually learned that I should have asked for
>>"la toilette", although [dubl at vese] would have
>>done the job as well.
>>
>>LH
>>
>>>
>>>On 9/30/07, Doug Harris <cats22 at frontiernet.net> wrote:
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>>>> As well they might (ask that question). As, similarly,
>>>> they are inclined to ask for "bathrooms" when having
>>>> no intention whatsoever of bathing, being befuddled by
>>>> getting French fries as part of their fish and chips
>>>> order, and pondering where locals are going when they
>>>> announce, as some sometimes do, they're going to the
>>>> _loo_. (Less frequently, these days, or so I'd imagine,
>>>> the loo-bound might note s/he is going "to spend a
>>>> penny", a once-common phrase reflecting a long-gone day
>>>> when that was the price of admission to a "public
>>>> convenience".
>>>> (the other) doug
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Doug Harris said something to a similar effect. I was of course
>>>> simply inventing a sentence that I thought a tourist might ask. BB
>>>>
>>>> Paul Johnston wrote:
>>>> > Assuming they'd know what a subway station is. A subway is an
>>>> > underpass over a road, though "Tube/Underground station" would be
>>>> > fine. As someone who did use to ask questions like that, I usually
>>>> > got my questions answered as i would here, but sometimes preceded by
>>>> > a repetition. "The Tube Station? Oh, you'll have to go down
>>>> > Rellingford Road to get there."
>>>> >
>>>> > Paul Johnston
>>>> > On Sep 29, 2007, at 3:04 AM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have heard that in England questions such as "Do you know where
>>>> >> the subway station is?" are considered yes/no. Is this the same
>>>> >> issue? BB
>>>> >>
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>>>
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>>>All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
>>>come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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>>> -Sam'l Clemens
>>>
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>
>
>Dr M Lynne Murphy
>Senior Lecturer in Linguistics and English Language
>Arts B135
>University of Sussex
>Brighton BN1 9QN
>
>phone: +44-(0)1273-678844
>http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com
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