one-time "whenever", live

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sun Sep 2 14:08:56 UTC 2007

At 9:46 PM -0700 9/1/07, Montgomery Michael wrote:
>Hey Larry
>Is "episodic whenever" your term?

It was, but I'm open to better ones, especially given the "whenever I
was young"-type cases.  Is there a standard term in aspectual
semantics and/or dialectology that encompasses all and only the
non-standard occurrences of "whenever" that Michael cited and that
have been discussed periodically on the list?


>I wouldn't use
>because it encompasses a range of non-requentative
>occurrences, some of the instantaneous but other of
>very long durational.  Of course, some are ambiguous
>between frequentative, which I think causes a fair
>number of them to be clamouflaged.
>--- Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
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>>  Subject:      Re: one-time "whenever", live
>>  At 11:46 PM -0400 9/1/07, Alice Faber wrote:
>>  >Laurence Horn wrote:
>>  >>>Laurence Horn wrote:
>>  >>>>Just listening to Red Sox 22-year-old rookie
>>  "phenom" [that's
>>  >>>>PHEE-nom] Clay Buchholz in his post-game
>>  interview after throwing a
>>  >>>>no-hitter in his second appearance in the major
>>  leagues.  He was
>>  >>>>asked about a great play behind him by second
>>  baseman Dustin Pedroia
>>  >>>>who took away what looked like a sure hit in the
>>  seventh inning and
>>  >>>>he responded along the lines of
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>"Yeah, whenever he made that play I knew I had a
>>  shot [at the no-hitter]."
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>Not surprisingly, he sounds Southern (to me),
>>  and sure enough his bio
>>  >>>>lists him as born in Nedarland, TX and as having
>>  attended Angelina lived also in Texas.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>I've read about (and even written about)
>>  episodic "whatever", but
>>  >>>>I've never actually heard one live as far as I
>>  can remember.  Pretty
>>  >>>>neat!
>>  >>>
>>  >>>He had several of them, along with a few more
>>  normative "whatever"s.
>>  >>>
>>  >>Alice, do you remember the syntactic context
>>  better than I do?  I was
>>  >>so overwhelmed between the no-no and the episodic
>>  "whatever" that I
>>  >>didn't really catch them, except for (sort of) the
>>  one about the play
>>  >>when Tejada was robbed.  And I don't think any
>>  transcripts are
>>  >>provided of post-game interviews (and even if they
>>  were, they'd probably be "corrected").
>>  >>
>>  >The normative one was something like "whenever it's
>>  hit at Coco [Crisp], he gets it".
>>  >
>>  >The video of most of Buchholz' post-game remarks is
>>  up at
>>  >I caught three "whenevers" in the 4 minute
>>  sequence. Two are clearly
>>  >episodic, and one is ambiguous.
>>  OK, thanks very much for the pointer.  For the
>>  record, here's my
>>  transcription of the segment in which the two
>>  episodic "whenever"s
>>  occur, both in relation to the same play (Buchholz
>>  tried to stab
>>  Miguel Tejada's shot up the middle and couldn't, but
>>  Pedroia caught
>>  it making full extension, turned, and nabbed Tejada
>>  at first).  It
>>  starts at around 0:52 of the clip at the site Alice
>>  mentions.
>>  =====================
>>  Yeah I mean when...whenever I jumped up and missed
>>  that ball, I was
>>  thinking to myself "It's over" and then he comes out
>>  of nowhere and
>>  that's one of the best plays I've ever seen in ten
>>  years, anywhere,
>>  and whenever he made that play I knew something,
>>  something was meant
>>  to happen tonight.
>>  ======================
>>  The "correction" of "when" to "whenever" at the
>>  start is particularly striking to me.
>>  LH
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