southmore

[Tom Zurinskas]

Now that you mention it,  "o" in "sophist" as I've always said it is "ah" (~aa) while in "sophomore" its always been "awe" ~au.  Oh my.  Consistency would be good.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.




> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:16:57 -0400
> From: laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
> Subject: Re: southmore
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> At 8:01 PM +0000 9/20/07, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>w-m.com has
>>
>>Main Entry: 1soph穙穖ore
>>Pronunciation: 's鋐-"mor also 'sof- or 's?f&- or 'so-f&-
>>and the speaker says ~saafmor (~ = truespel) which is the first notation above
>>
>>To me this is an awe-dropping mispronunciation.
>>To me the pronunciation has always been ~saufmor
>>(the second notation above). In UK I assume it
>>would be ~saufmau. UK folks tend to foespel
>>"more" as ~maur, and then they tend to drop the
>>~r when they speak it.
>>
>>If you listen to the word "awe" on m-w.com it's
>>pronounced "ah". The folks doing this are
>>dropping the sound "awe" completely from their
>>foenubet (list of sounds in a language). This
>>makes USA different from other English speaking
>>nations. Not good. The language should be
>>coming together not moving apart. Sounds should
>>be included not excluded. The text strings "au"
>>and "aw" and "all" need be preserved as "awe"
>>sounds. We need a "save the awe sound society>"
>>
>>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus
>>"Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.
>
> FWIW, I don't pronounce "awe" and "soph(omore)"
> with the same vowel. For me, the former is
> open-o, the latter is /a/. I knew that made me
> non-British, but I didn't know until you pointed
> it out that made me wrong, or not good. I stand
> corrected.
>
> LH
>
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:08:08 -0500
>>> From: gordonmj at MISSOURI.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: southmore
>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>> Do all of you who distinguish /a/ and 'open o' (cot vs. caught) have the
>>> former vowel in 'sophomore'? I'd expect some speakers to have 'open o' here
>>> by analogy to other pre-/f/ words (e.g. off, soft).
>>>
>>> -Matt
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