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[Dennis Preston]

Why don't you go Emerson yourself!

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>Now that you mention it,  "o" in "sophist" as
>I've always said it is "ah" (~aa) while in
>"sophomore" its always been "awe" ~au.  Oh my.
>Consistency would be good.
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>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus
>"Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.
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>>  Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:16:57 -0400
>>  From: laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
>>  Subject: Re: southmore
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>>  At 8:01 PM +0000 9/20/07, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>>w-m.com has
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>>>Main Entry: 1soph穙穖ore
>>>Pronunciation: 'sÈãê-"mor also 'sof- or 's?f&- or 'so-f&-
>>>and the speaker says ~saafmor (~ = truespel)
>>>which is the first notation above
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>>>To me this is an awe-dropping mispronunciation.
>>>To me the pronunciation has always been ~saufmor
>>>(the second notation above). In UK I assume it
>>>would be ~saufmau. UK folks tend to foespel
>>>"more" as ~maur, and then they tend to drop the
>>>~r when they speak it.
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>>>If you listen to the word "awe" on m-w.com it's
>>>pronounced "ah". The folks doing this are
>>>dropping the sound "awe" completely from their
>>>foenubet (list of sounds in a language). This
>>>makes USA different from other English speaking
>>>nations. Not good. The language should be
>>>coming together not moving apart. Sounds should
>>>be included not excluded. The text strings "au"
>>>and "aw" and "all" need be preserved as "awe"
>>>sounds. We need a "save the awe sound society>"
>>>
>>>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>>See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus
>>>"Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.
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>>  FWIW, I don't pronounce "awe" and "soph(omore)"
>>  with the same vowel. For me, the former is
>>  open-o, the latter is /a/. I knew that made me
>>  non-British, but I didn't know until you pointed
>>  it out that made me wrong, or not good. I stand
>>  corrected.
>>
>>  LH
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>>>>  Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:08:08 -0500
>>>>  From: gordonmj at MISSOURI.EDU
>>>>  Subject: Re: southmore
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>>>>  Do all of you who distinguish /a/ and 'open o' (cot vs. caught) have the
>>>>  former vowel in 'sophomore'? I'd expect some
>>>>speakers to have 'open o' here
>>>>  by analogy to other pre-/f/ words (e.g. off, soft).
>>>>
>>>>  -Matt
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Dennis R. Preston
University Distinguished Professor
Department of English
Morrill Hall 15-C
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48864 USA

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