Standard US English Dialect?

[Wilson Gray]

To the best of my both meager and antiquated knowledge, it's only the
pronunciation of "gogo" as "gong-o" that's peculiar to Tokyo. Whether
there are other such words, I haven't the foggiest.

-Wilson

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Dennis Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:
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>  Current Tokyo practice doers not seem to match the "standard"
>  suggestions, in which initial /g is [g] and intervocalic /g/ is [N]
>  (the velar nasal, oft written "ng," but only one sound). The
>  important exceptions even in the standard duggestions are:
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>  1) Compounds (e.g., Sekaiginko "World bank")
>  2) After prefixes (e.g., o [honorific prefix] + genki = "ogenki" (with [g])
>  3) The number 5 (go), no mater how it is combined, is always
>  pronounced with [g]
>  4) Reduplicative or onomatopoetic words (e.g., gara-gara "rattle") have [g]
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>  But Hibiya (2005) shows that Tokyo speakers born between 1965 and 79
>  (for which we have a large spoken corpus) range from 30 to 95%
>  [g]-users in those positions where the "rule" would require [N].
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>  >I what you're referring to is the nasalization of the second "g",
>  >which is listed in my standard Japanese accent dictionary. AFAIK, this
>  >is a part of NHK Japanese and may or may not be followed by Tokyoites.
>  >I'm not very familiar with Tokyo speech, though, so it might be that
>  >it's widespread there.
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>  >Very good memory. Gogo means afternoon, with the first "go" being noon
>  >and the second being after. BB
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>  >On Apr 12, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>  >>
>  >>  I don't know what NHK Japanese sounds like, but the Tokyo dialect is
>  >>  certainly different. E.g., the word usually transliterated "gogo" and
>  >>  pronounced more-or-less as transliterated, is pronounced approximately
>  >>  "gong-o" in the Tokyo dialect.
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>  >>  I think that the word means "noon," but it was a while ago, the
>  >>  1968-69 school year, that I took Japanese. However, the
>  >>  native-Japanese girlfriend of a roommate confirmed, ca.1987, the
>  >>  presence of the [N] in the Tokyo-dialect version.
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>  >>  -Wilson
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>  >>  On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com
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>  >>>  FWIW, NHK Japanese, not Tokyo Japanese is considered the standard.
>  >>>  There is a difference. BB
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