Rosa/rowz@

[Mark Mandel]

English doesn't have pure [o]; Italian or French often does. English
"long vowels" are all diphthongs.

Can't write more now.

m a m

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
> Thanks, Mark.  For someone whose linguistic interest is 99.9% in
>  written and whose education in phonetics is 0.0%, can you give me
>  some examples of words using 3 and 4 below?  Esp. 4, so I can see
>  that it's not, for example, like "rouser".  (I am a caught/cot
>  distinguisher, so I think I know what 2 is -- a little like a
>  crow?  Caw, caw, but with less W.  And, uh, I think I'm clear on schwa.)
>
>  Joel
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>  At 4/20/2008 02:12 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
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>  >On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
>  > > I am now unclear on the difference between rOs@
>  > >  and rowz at .  Damian wrote he did not mean by the
>  > >  latter "_row_ 'loud noise'", which is how I had
>  > >  read it.  I would pronounce Rosa as "row" of "row
>  > >  your boat", as I think is the English-American
>  > >  way.  Which of the two symbolozations is that?
>  > >
>  > >  I don't know many American Sophias either, but I
>  > >  wouldn't say s at fi:@] or [s at fai@ -- definitely so-fee- at .
>  >
>  >These respellings are not in terms of English orthography, but
>  >informal quasi-IPA, which we do a lot of on this list. In the above:
>  >
>  >1. @ is schwa. You seem to be clear on that.
>  >2. O = open o, low-mid rounded back vowel, as in "caught" for those
>  >who distinguish it from "cot".
>  >3. o = IPA o, high-mid rounded back vowel,
>  >4. ow = a diphthong of o (#3 here) + w; that is, high-mid rounded back
>  >vowel with an offglide rising and backing toward [u]
>  >
>  >m a m
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