~Feenlend

Wed Feb 20 03:45:19 UTC 2008

Praat is commonly used by sociolinguists.
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Subject:      Re: ~Feenlend

Does anyone know of any open source or otherwise free software for
spectrographic analysis and/or formant analysis?

Randy

On Feb 20, 2008 1:55 AM, Dennis Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:

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> Looks like lots of impressionistic stuff in this /I/ - /i/
> discussion, and I have no doubt that there is a great deal of
> regional variation, but the introduction of a nasal segment after a
> vowel plays hell with production and, more importantly here,
> perception, and I trust an acoustic analysis better. Let me show you
> the acoustic results of a few minutes age (me, male, 68, EA,
> Louisville, KY).
>
> First, here are the Peterson and Barney values for males:
>
> [i] (high front tense)  F1=390  F2=1990
> [I] (high front lax)    F1=270  F2=2290
>
> It's clear that [I] is lower and backer than [i].
>
> Now me saying "sin" and "seen":
> sin     F1=400  F2=1900
> seen    F1=300  F2=2350
>
> I appear to be pretty normal (kibitzers beware!), although the nasals
> have no doubt had some influence on these figures; the question is,
> however, about the character of [I] before [ng]:
>
> Me again saying "sing":
> sing    F1=480  F2=1850
>
> In fact, my vowel (whatever it is) before /ng/ is even a little lower
> and backer than my [I] before [n].
>
> I believe formant characteristics introduced by the following velar
> nasal may be causing some hearers to report that [I] = [i] before
> [ng], but that does not appear the be the acoustic case.
>
> I ignore here the phonological question. For me, /ng/ neutralizes the
> /i/~/I/ opposition. That is, I have no minimal pairs of /i/-=/I/
> before /ng/, but that is other territory (as is the complex history
> of English /ng/).
>
> Of course, other acoustic facts could come into play here (glide,
> glide length, etc...), but they did not appear to be distinctive in
> my quick and dirty study of myself.
>
> dInIs
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> >Thanks Ben,
> >
> >I went to Seattle for 10 straight sunny 80 degree days back in Sept
> >88?.  We climbed up to the snow at Rainier, and drove around the
> >Pujit Sound to the Pacific to dip my toe in for the first time.
> >Plan to take my wife back this summer.
> >
> >Anyway I think the main pronunciations of ing-ink and ang-ank are as
> >discussed in my qlippit link below both for USA and UK.  Same way in
> >old movies too.  Seeengin in the rain.
> >
> >http://www.qlipmedia.com/wqb/index.php?discid=b9da9b86
> >
> >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> >See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems"
> >at authorhouse.com.
> >
> >
> >
> >>  Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:47:34 -0800
> >>  From: blukoff at ALVORD.COM
> >>  Subject: Re: ~Feenlend
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> >>  Interesting. I trust you've never been to Seattle, where almost
> everybody
> >>  pronounces "sing" with the same vowel as in "sin."
> >>
> >>  On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Yes indeed. "Sing,ping,wing" is pronounced ~seeng,~peeng,~weeng. Not
> >>>  the same vowel as in sin,pin,win ~sin,~pin,~win. This is for UK as
> >>>  well. I hope folks realize this even though dictionaries don't.
> >>>
> >>>  Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> >>>  See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional
> >>>Poems" at authorhouse.com.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>  Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:37:57 -0800
> >>>>  From: blukoff at ALVORD.COM
> >>>>  Subject: Re: ~Feenlend
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> >>>>  On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>  One thing ~thheeng we were talking about is the sound of letter "i"
> in
> >>>>>  words like "sing, wing, thing".
> >  >>>>
> >>>>>  I don't know why, but linguists ~leengwists express this sound as
> short
> >>>>>  i when its really spoken as long e ~ee in English. My theory is
> that
> >>>>
> >>>>  Are you trying to say that "sing" is pronounced, in English, as if
> it were
> >>>>  spelled "seeng"?
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