~Feenlend
Dennis Preston
preston at MSU.EDU
Wed Feb 20 12:39:59 UTC 2008
The industry standard (free) is
http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/
dInIs
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>Does anyone know of any open source or otherwise free software for
>spectrographic analysis and/or formant analysis?
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>Randy
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>On Feb 20, 2008 1:55 AM, Dennis Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:
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>> Looks like lots of impressionistic stuff in this /I/ - /i/
>> discussion, and I have no doubt that there is a great deal of
>> regional variation, but the introduction of a nasal segment after a
>> vowel plays hell with production and, more importantly here,
>> perception, and I trust an acoustic analysis better. Let me show you
>> the acoustic results of a few minutes age (me, male, 68, EA,
>> Louisville, KY).
>>
>> First, here are the Peterson and Barney values for males:
>>
>> [i] (high front tense) F1=390 F2=1990
>> [I] (high front lax) F1=270 F2=2290
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>> It's clear that [I] is lower and backer than [i].
>>
>> Now me saying "sin" and "seen":
>> sin F1=400 F2=1900
>> seen F1=300 F2=2350
>>
>> I appear to be pretty normal (kibitzers beware!), although the nasals
>> have no doubt had some influence on these figures; the question is,
>> however, about the character of [I] before [ng]:
>>
>> Me again saying "sing":
>> sing F1=480 F2=1850
>>
>> In fact, my vowel (whatever it is) before /ng/ is even a little lower
>> and backer than my [I] before [n].
>>
>> I believe formant characteristics introduced by the following velar
>> nasal may be causing some hearers to report that [I] = [i] before
>> [ng], but that does not appear the be the acoustic case.
>>
>> I ignore here the phonological question. For me, /ng/ neutralizes the
>> /i/~/I/ opposition. That is, I have no minimal pairs of /i/-=/I/
>> before /ng/, but that is other territory (as is the complex history
>> of English /ng/).
>>
>> Of course, other acoustic facts could come into play here (glide,
>> glide length, etc...), but they did not appear to be distinctive in
>> my quick and dirty study of myself.
>>
>> dInIs
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>> >Poster: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
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>> >Thanks Ben,
>> >
>> >I went to Seattle for 10 straight sunny 80 degree days back in Sept
>> >88?. We climbed up to the snow at Rainier, and drove around the
>> >Pujit Sound to the Pacific to dip my toe in for the first time.
>> >Plan to take my wife back this summer.
>> >
>> >Anyway I think the main pronunciations of ing-ink and ang-ank are as
>> >discussed in my qlippit link below both for USA and UK. Same way in
>> >old movies too. Seeengin in the rain.
>> >
>> >http://www.qlipmedia.com/wqb/index.php?discid=b9da9b86
>> >
>> >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>> >See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems"
>> >at authorhouse.com.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:47:34 -0800
>> >> From: blukoff at ALVORD.COM
>> >> Subject: Re: ~Feenlend
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>> >> Interesting. I trust you've never been to Seattle, where almost
>> everybody
>> >> pronounces "sing" with the same vowel as in "sin."
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yes indeed. "Sing,ping,wing" is pronounced ~seeng,~peeng,~weeng. Not
>> >>> the same vowel as in sin,pin,win ~sin,~pin,~win. This is for UK as
>> >>> well. I hope folks realize this even though dictionaries don't.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>> >>> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional
>> >>>Poems" at authorhouse.com.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:37:57 -0800
>> >>>> From: blukoff at ALVORD.COM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: ~Feenlend
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>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> One thing ~thheeng we were talking about is the sound of letter "i"
>> in
>> >>>>> words like "sing, wing, thing".
>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know why, but linguists ~leengwists express this sound as
>> short
>> >>>>> i when its really spoken as long e ~ee in English. My theory is
>> that
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are you trying to say that "sing" is pronounced, in English, as if
>> it were
>> >>>> spelled "seeng"?
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