~Feenlend

Dennis Preston preston at MSU.EDU
Wed Feb 20 12:39:59 UTC 2008


The industry standard (free) is

http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/

dInIs

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>Does anyone know of any open source or otherwise free software for
>spectrographic analysis and/or formant analysis?
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>Randy
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>On Feb 20, 2008 1:55 AM, Dennis Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:
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>>  Looks like lots of impressionistic stuff in this /I/ - /i/
>>  discussion, and I have no doubt that there is a great deal of
>>  regional variation, but the introduction of a nasal segment after a
>>  vowel plays hell with production and, more importantly here,
>>  perception, and I trust an acoustic analysis better. Let me show you
>>  the acoustic results of a few minutes age (me, male, 68, EA,
>>  Louisville, KY).
>>
>>  First, here are the Peterson and Barney values for males:
>>
>>  [i] (high front tense)  F1=390  F2=1990
>>  [I] (high front lax)    F1=270  F2=2290
>>
>>  It's clear that [I] is lower and backer than [i].
>>
>>  Now me saying "sin" and "seen":
>>  sin     F1=400  F2=1900
>>  seen    F1=300  F2=2350
>>
>>  I appear to be pretty normal (kibitzers beware!), although the nasals
>>  have no doubt had some influence on these figures; the question is,
>>  however, about the character of [I] before [ng]:
>>
>>  Me again saying "sing":
>>  sing    F1=480  F2=1850
>>
>>  In fact, my vowel (whatever it is) before /ng/ is even a little lower
>>  and backer than my [I] before [n].
>>
>>  I believe formant characteristics introduced by the following velar
>>  nasal may be causing some hearers to report that [I] = [i] before
>>  [ng], but that does not appear the be the acoustic case.
>>
>>  I ignore here the phonological question. For me, /ng/ neutralizes the
>>  /i/~/I/ opposition. That is, I have no minimal pairs of /i/-=/I/
>>  before /ng/, but that is other territory (as is the complex history
>>  of English /ng/).
>>
>>  Of course, other acoustic facts could come into play here (glide,
>>  glide length, etc...), but they did not appear to be distinctive in
>>  my quick and dirty study of myself.
>>
>>  dInIs
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>>  >Thanks Ben,
>>  >
>>  >I went to Seattle for 10 straight sunny 80 degree days back in Sept
>>  >88?.  We climbed up to the snow at Rainier, and drove around the
>>  >Pujit Sound to the Pacific to dip my toe in for the first time.
>>  >Plan to take my wife back this summer.
>>  >
>>  >Anyway I think the main pronunciations of ing-ink and ang-ank are as
>>  >discussed in my qlippit link below both for USA and UK.  Same way in
>>  >old movies too.  Seeengin in the rain.
>>  >
>>  >http://www.qlipmedia.com/wqb/index.php?discid=b9da9b86
>>  >
>>  >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>  >See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems"
>>  >at authorhouse.com.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>  Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:47:34 -0800
>>  >>  From: blukoff at ALVORD.COM
>>  >>  Subject: Re: ~Feenlend
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>>  >>  Interesting. I trust you've never been to Seattle, where almost
>>  everybody
>>  >>  pronounces "sing" with the same vowel as in "sin."
>>  >>
>>  >>  On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>>  Yes indeed. "Sing,ping,wing" is pronounced ~seeng,~peeng,~weeng. Not
>>  >>>  the same vowel as in sin,pin,win ~sin,~pin,~win. This is for UK as
>>  >>>  well. I hope folks realize this even though dictionaries don't.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>  Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>  >>>  See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional
>>  >>>Poems" at authorhouse.com.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>>  Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:37:57 -0800
>>  >>>>  From: blukoff at ALVORD.COM
>>  >>>>  Subject: Re: ~Feenlend
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>>  >>>>  On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>>  One thing ~thheeng we were talking about is the sound of letter "i"
>>  in
>>  >>>>>  words like "sing, wing, thing".
>>  >  >>>>
>>  >>>>>  I don't know why, but linguists ~leengwists express this sound as
>>  short
>>  >>>>>  i when its really spoken as long e ~ee in English. My theory is
>>  that
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>  Are you trying to say that "sing" is pronounced, in English, as if
>>  it were
>>  >>>>  spelled "seeng"?
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