Jagwire

[David Bergdahl]

So far no one has mentioned the BBC-pronunciation of jsomething like
jag-yu-ah.  The medial /u/ is prominent.
-db

On Jan 9, 2008 4:23 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

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> FWIW, "jagwire" has been the "standard" BE pronunciation for the name
> of the animal among all non-pedantic speakers [*I* have always used
> "jagwar," but my friends considered that to be merely a personal
> affectation or some kind of phony spelling pronunciation or some such
> and ignored it) since at least the late 'Thirties. When the name of
> the automobile became known among middle-class blacks, the
> pronunciation remained "Jagwire."
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> -Wilson
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> On Jan 8, 2008 8:18 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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> > At 12:11 PM -0500 1/8/08, Laurence Horn wrote:
> > >At 10:43 AM -0600 1/8/08, Philip (Flip) Kromer wrote:
> > >>Tony Kornheiser (Pardon the Interruption, Monday Night Football,
> > >>ex-washpost) says 'Jagwire' or very close to it.
> > >
> > >Are you sure he's not doing it self-consciously, with invisible
> > >quotes?  I've heard Tom Jackson (of ESPN) refer to the Jacksonville
> > >team as the Jagwires, and probably other commentators, but I suspect
> > >if Kornheiser does it he's not being authentic.  (He often isn't.)
> > >He is indeed from Long Island, where I certainly never heard
> > >"Jagwire".  (In those days, it would have been in reference to the
> > >car or possibly the cat; the team hadn't been invented yet.)
> > >
> > >LH
> >
> > A bit of support for this position:  at 5:45 or so tonight (EST),
> > Tony Kornheiser was discussing the upcoming Jaguars-Patriots playoff
> > game on PTI and referred to the Jacksonville team by nickname four
> > times, pronouncing it as "the ['Jaegwarz]" (sans diphthong) each time.
> >
> > LH
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> > >
> > >>  You can download the
> > >>podcast version of PTI from iTunes; I know I heard him do it
> repeatedly last
> > >>week, but don't recall which one. I'm sure you'll find multiple uses
> these
> > >>past and next few weeks.
> > >>
> > >>He's not undereducated, and is Long Island, I think.
> > >>
> > >>flip
> > >>
> > >>On Jan 8, 2008 6:34 AM, Sam Clements <SClements at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>
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> > >>>  Subject:      Jagwire
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> > >>>  Of course I'm talking about Jaguar.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Since I'm not a linguist, is there an explanation for the =
> > >>>  mispronunciation of the word?  I never encountered it until I
> worked =
> > >>>  with some people in Middle Ohio, who also happen to be
> undereducated(and =
> > >>>  coincidentally from Southern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania).  Or am I =
> > >>>  reading too much into their family backgrounds?
> > >>>
> > >>>  Anyway, is this something as simple as saying "warsh" for wash,
> "tarred" =
> > >>>  for tired? =20
> > >>>
> > >>>  Sam Clements
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