Jagwire

[Laurence Horn]

At 9:41 AM -0500 1/10/08, David Bergdahl wrote:
>So far no one has mentioned the BBC-pronunciation of jsomething like
>jag-yu-ah.  The medial /u/ is prominent.
>-db

Actually, I'm sure that's what Susan Rosine was getting at with her
reference to the "jag-you-are" pronunciation used on the car
commercials.  It's pronounced in the classic RP non-rhotic style, so
that is indeed what you're referring to as "jag-yu-ah".

LH

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>On Jan 9, 2008 4:23 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>  FWIW, "jagwire" has been the "standard" BE pronunciation for the name
>>  of the animal among all non-pedantic speakers [*I* have always used
>>  "jagwar," but my friends considered that to be merely a personal
>>  affectation or some kind of phony spelling pronunciation or some such
>>  and ignored it) since at least the late 'Thirties. When the name of
>>  the automobile became known among middle-class blacks, the
>>  pronunciation remained "Jagwire."
>>
>>  -Wilson
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>>  On Jan 8, 2008 8:18 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>>  > At 12:11 PM -0500 1/8/08, Laurence Horn wrote:
>>  > >At 10:43 AM -0600 1/8/08, Philip (Flip) Kromer wrote:
>>  > >>Tony Kornheiser (Pardon the Interruption, Monday Night Football,
>>  > >>ex-washpost) says 'Jagwire' or very close to it.
>>  > >
>>  > >Are you sure he's not doing it self-consciously, with invisible
>>  > >quotes?  I've heard Tom Jackson (of ESPN) refer to the Jacksonville
>>  > >team as the Jagwires, and probably other commentators, but I suspect
>>  > >if Kornheiser does it he's not being authentic.  (He often isn't.)
>>  > >He is indeed from Long Island, where I certainly never heard
>>  > >"Jagwire".  (In those days, it would have been in reference to the
>>  > >car or possibly the cat; the team hadn't been invented yet.)
>>  > >
>>  > >LH
>>  >
>>  > A bit of support for this position:  at 5:45 or so tonight (EST),
>>  > Tony Kornheiser was discussing the upcoming Jaguars-Patriots playoff
>>  > game on PTI and referred to the Jacksonville team by nickname four
>>  > times, pronouncing it as "the ['Jaegwarz]" (sans diphthong) each time.
>>  >
>>  > LH
>>  >
>>  > >
>>  > >>  You can download the
>>  > >>podcast version of PTI from iTunes; I know I heard him do it
>>  repeatedly last
>>  > >>week, but don't recall which one. I'm sure you'll find multiple uses
>>  these
>>  > >>past and next few weeks.
>>  > >>
>>  > >>He's not undereducated, and is Long Island, I think.
>>  > >>
>>  > >>flip
>>  > >>
>>  > >>On Jan 8, 2008 6:34 AM, Sam Clements <SClements at neo.rr.com> wrote:
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>>  > >>>  Subject:      Jagwire
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>>
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>>  > >>>
>>  > >>>  Of course I'm talking about Jaguar.
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>>  Since I'm not a linguist, is there an explanation for the =
>>  > >>>  mispronunciation of the word?  I never encountered it until I
>>  worked =
>>  > >>>  with some people in Middle Ohio, who also happen to be
>>  undereducated(and =
>>  > >>>  coincidentally from Southern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania).  Or am I =
>>  > >>>  reading too much into their family backgrounds?
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>>  Anyway, is this something as simple as saying "warsh" for wash,
>  > "tarred" =
>>  > >>>  for tired? =20
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>>  Sam Clements
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