Welsh "hur"?

[Joel S. Berson]

Thanks, John.  (I would not have found this under "her, pers. pron.,
3rd sing., fem.[, dat.-acc.]..2.b...."  307 "hur"s in the OED!  And I
would have taken them as "her".)

Since the OED2 citations have the common 18th century gap (1657, then
1828 Scott), I'll send it on.  I may also have seen contexts where
the person referred to is feminine, which may also be useful.

Joel

At 1/23/2008 10:49 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>I think I asked about this usage in Scott long ago.
>
>   OED,  "her, pers. pron., 3rd sing., fem...2.b....
>  Represented as used by Welsh or Gaelic speakers for he, him, or
> for the speaker himself."
>
>   OED's exx. go back to 1526.  The phrase "Represented as used"
> suggests that the editor had doubts about its authenticity and its origin.
>
>   I too wonder what could account for it.  Surely it was not just "made up"?
>
>   JL
>
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>In an 18th century rendition of allegedly Welsh dialect, I have seen
>"hur" many times. One example:
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>A Welshman being at the gallows [says] tell hur father and mother,
>hur dies a very good Christian.
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>What are these two "hur"s?
>
>I can imagine the second being "here", but have no idea about the first.
>
>Joel
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