Roasteria

[Laurence Horn]

At 10:35 AM -0400 7/14/08, Marc Velasco wrote:
>So is laundromat originally from the "o-matic" line?  laundry + automatic =
>laundromat(ic).

With influence from Horn and Hardart's Automats, perhaps.  I just
noticed they've been revived, but not under that name--there's one on
the gentrifying (McHattan) Lower East Side, complete with
reproductions of those old windows, although the slots don't take the
same collection of nickels as in the old days.

>  or, if verbs are your fancy, launder + automatic =
>laundromat(ic).
>
>I vaguely recall various constructions of "-o-matic" (google suggestions
>slice-o-matic, brush-o-matic, etc), which would suggest that laundromat is
>an abbreviation.
>
>..
>
>a question on pronunciation: is it gasetEria or gaseterIa (<-- capital "I")
>?
>

In LA in the late 60s it was definitely the former, at least for
those of us in the Anglo community, exactly as in "cafeteria".

But confusion might be incurred.  Thus "Carpeteria", with penultimate
stress on /i/, is a suburb of Santa Barbara.  But as you can see and
hear at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCsprx1ZEK0, the
ubiqitous homographic carpet store chain pronounced it with
antepenultimate stress, "cafeteria" style.

LH
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>On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
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>>  Then there's also the generalized -(t)eria suffix that used to be
>>  much more productive than it is now.  Southern California in the 60s
>>  was filled with launderterias, gaseterias, and the like.  There was a
>>  least one paper exploring these formations in American Speech, and
>>  "cafeteria" was usually taken to be the model.  In principle
>>  "roasteria" could be a blend of "roaster" with "-(t)eria", but the
>>  register or level would be wrong, in that the -(t)eria formations
>>  emphasized cheapness, ease, and uniformity (a bit like current "Mc-",
>>  but without the trademark battles), while roasterias are presumably
>>  not striving for that image.
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>>  LH
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>>  At 2:22 AM -0400 7/14/08, Marc Velasco wrote:
>>  >Italian as in pizzeria ?  Likely, I was thinking mainly of the
>>  >coffee-growing countries they might purchase from.  This actually seems
>>  more
>>  >like a branding thing... cafes sell coffee... we sell _roast_.
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>>  >On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com>
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>>  >>  That's a possibility I hadn't thought of. Given the power of Italian
>>  >>  in the espresso domain, though, my money remains on Italiano :) BB
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>>  >>  On Jul 13, 2008, at 10:58 PM, Marc Velasco wrote:
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>>  >>  > Could be from the Spanish too (which probably has similar
>>  construction
>>  >>  > rules).
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > shoe : shoestore
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > zapato : zapateria
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>>  >>  > maybe they sell 'roast' ?
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>>  >>  > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Benjamin Barrett <
>>  gogaku at ix.netcom.com
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>>  >>  >> Not found in the ADS4 or the CAE.
>  > >>  >>
>>  >>  >> "We bring people together for conversation and coffee and food,"
>>  said
>>  >>  >> McConnell, whose cafe empire includes a roasteria on Capitol Hill,
>>  >>  >> four coffee shops in Seattle and one in Olympia.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> by Melissa Allison and Amy Martinez
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>
>>  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/retailreport/2008045842_retailrepor=
>>  >>  > t11.html
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>>  >>  >> McConnell is part owner of Caff=E9 Vita Coffee Roasting. Later in
>>  the
>>  >>  >> article is a bit about Espresso Vivace Roasteria, which is probably
>>  >>  >> where they got the word from. Ava Roastaria uses the word as well,
>>  >>  >> probably from roaster + -ia as Italian does not seem to use this
>>  >>  >> word.
>>  >>  >> BB
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