Dittlers and dits
Dennis Preston
preston at MSU.EDU
Fri Mar 28 14:33:17 UTC 2008
Me too; I was following DARE practice I think.
dInIs
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>At 7:18 AM -0400 3/28/08, Dennis Preston wrote:
>>By the time you get to "tiddly," you are creeping up on US
>>"diddley-(squat, shit)" = "worthless, meaningless, next to nothing,"
>>perhaps from a size association. (That ain't worth diddley. I don't
>>give a diddley.), but DARE does not show any regional distribution
>>for it, although it shows "doodley-(squat, shit)" as chiefly South
>>and South Midland.
>
>with a lovely early cite from Zora Neale Hurston
>(1934), "She ain't never had nothin' -- not eben
>doodly-squat..."
>[Along with Hurston and many other writers, I
>prefer my squatitives with -ly rather than -ley
>terminals.]
>
>>When I say "doodley" here in Michigan (Your
>>dissertation ain't worth doodley"), my local students always correct
>>me to "diddley." (Course, it don't make their dissertations worth no
>>more.)
>>
>>dInIs
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>Just think, by next year this time you'll be
>supervising dissertations worth doodly instead of
>diddly! Who says plus Áa change?
>
>LH
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>>>Poster: Lynne Murphy <m.l.murphy at SUSSEX.AC.UK>
>>>Subject: Re: Dittlers and dits
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>>>This looks like it could be related to Scots (and perhaps more general
>>>northern) English _tiddler_, which means a small fish--presumably one you'd
>>>throw back if you caught it (maybe it says this in DARE, but my copy's at
>>>the office, and I'm not). From this comes the BrE dialectal adjective
>>>_tiddly_ meaning small, which I found is applied a lot to premature babies,
>>>as is _diddy_, which is northern BrE, and again looks like your word...
>>>
>>>These words were mentioned on my blog here:
>>>http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2008/01/baby-talk-introducing-grover.html
>>>
>>>Are they're related or is there some sound symbolism at work here? I've
>>>heard "/I/ = 'small'", but not "alveolar stop = 'small'". Or are they all
>>>coincidental baby-talkish variations on _little_?
>>>
>>>Lynne
>>>
>>>--On Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:53 am -0400 "Baker, John"
>>><JMB at STRADLEY.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not known to me from growing up and raising chickens in Adair
>>>> County, Kentucky, two counties northwest of Wayne County.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Baker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
>>>> Of Grant Barrett
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:24 AM
>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>> Subject: Dittlers and dits
>>>>
>>>> The fellow below submitted the following to the American Dialect Society
>>>> web site a while back. I sent him an email asking if he'd like to be on
>>>> my radio show. He said yes and his second email follows the first below.
>>>>
>>>> I found one other use of it so far, in Urban Dictionary of all places:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dittler
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, I've found no use of it elsewhere in the usual databases and
>>>> web sites. Does anyone have anything on this? I've forwarded it to Joan
>>>> Hall at DARE for the record.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Grant
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> From: "J. Fred Calkins" <jfredcalkins at earthlink.net>
>>>>> Date: November 25, 2007 13:21:05 EST
>>>>> To: <woty at americandialect.org>
>>>>> Subject: A regional word
>>>>>
>>>>> When I moved into south eastern KY I discovered a dialectal word which
>>>>
>>>>> has caused me great curiosity. Perhaps the American Dialect Society
> >>>> can shed some light on the origins and extent of this particular word.
>>>>
>>>>> 'dit' or 'dittler' is the preferred word to refer to baby chickens or
>>>>> other dry land domestic fowl. If referencing other than chicken the
>>>>> tendency is to put a prefix on the word (turkey-dit). I have
>>>>> determined this word to be normal in Bell, Harlan, and Letcher
>>>>> counties. It is understood in Wayne, McCreary, Whitley, Knox, Clay and
>>>>
>>>>> Leslie counties. It seems to be Normal in the western tip of Virginia
>>>>> but fades when we get across the line into TN. I am curious how far
>>>>> east it goes. Since the words are so entrenched in this segment of
>>>>> Appalachian culture I am suspecting some Old World connections.
>>>>> Alternatively it may come from the American Indians. If you can shed
>>>>> any light on these terms I would be very grateful. Even though I grew
>>>>> up calling baby chickens 'chicks' (in central Michigan) I have found
>>>>> this an easy term to add to my vocabulary. I did not even blink when
>>> >> someone asked about my children with the phrase 'How are your dits?'
>>>>> Perhaps you have some research or chronicling of this useful word.
>>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "J. Fred Calkins" <jfredcalkins at earthlink.net>
>>>>> Date: December 27, 2007 06:25:28 EST
>>>>> To: Grant Barrett <gbarrett at worldnewyork.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: A regional word
>>>>>
>>>>> Grant, you don't offer me a bit of insight to this interesting word
>>>>> yet offer me an opportunity to discuss it on air. I am what we call in
>>>>
>>>>> the mountains a preacher, I take any opportunity to talk I get. I do
>>>>> try to keep to the subject but need to warn you that gospel idioms
>>>>> thoroughly infect both my thoughts and words. It was, after all,
>>>>> during my pastoral visitation rounds that I learned this word.
>>>>> Another point of information you need to be aware of - the most common
>>>>
>>>>> chickens in this area are game. The abhorrence of some toward that
>>>>> 'sport' is indicted by the laws against fighting chickens (there are
>>>>> no laws against raising them). I serve a district of Seventh-day
>>>>> Adventist churches, most of which are along the southern half of I-75
>>>>> in Kentucky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great day, Fred
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>--
>>Dennis R. Preston
>>University Distinguished Professor
>>Department of English
>>Morrill Hall 15-C
>>Michigan State University
>>East Lansing, MI 48864 USA
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Department of English
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Michigan State University
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