R: Re: Baseball..what about rounders?

[amorelli]

Exhaustive reply. Thankyou.
M.I.Amorelli
Faculties of Economics and
Law,
University of Sassari,
Sardinia,
Italy
P.S. And it will
*definitely* stop me running off at the mouth with spurious histories.

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>The aforementioned _Baseball Before We Knew It_ by Block is perhaps
the most
>comprehensive and well-researched history of baseball and its
origins that
>is readily available. It covers all this in great and
footnoted detail.
>
>"Rounders" is simply a regional (west of England,
IIRC) name for the game of
>English baseball. The name "rounders"
doesn't appear until the 19th century,
>after baseball was well
established in America. Eventually the name
>"rounders" supplanted
"baseball" in all of England, but it's the same game.
>American and
English baseball diverged in the late-18th century and took
>separate
evolutionary paths.
>
>To say that American baseball has its origins in
rounders is like saying
>humans descended from chimpanzees or the
English language comes from modern
>German. Yes, they have a common
ancestor, but one doesn't come from the
>other.
>
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>amorelli
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rounders?
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>Hello,
>And what about rounders - diligently played by the
sports no-
>hopers at girls' grammar schools in Great Britain - as a
possible
>ancestor?
>Regards,
>M.I.Amorelli
>Faculties of Economics and
Law,
>University of Sassari,
>Sardinia,
>Italy.
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>>I'm not going to worry -- the name's the same, but is the
game?
>>
>>Joel
>>
>>At 9/12/2008 09:48 AM, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
>>>This is a highly
>important discovery, but it should be noted, as
the
>>>Sports
>Illustrated/AP story fails to note, that it has long
been
>>>known that
>"base-ball" is mentioned, with an actual picture of
the
>>>game being
>played, in John Newberry's "A Little Pretty Pocket-
Book,"
>>>which
>appears to date back to 1744.
>>>
>>>Fred Shapiro
>>>
>>>
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>>>Subject: Baseball is British, oh no!
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>>>http:
>//sportsillustrated.cnn.
com/2008/baseball/mlb/09/11/baseball.england.ap
>>>/index.html?cnn=yes
>>>
>>>"Easter Monday 31 March 1755
>>>
>>>"Went to
>Stoke Ch. This
morning. After Dinner Went to Miss Jeale's to play
>>>at
>Base Ball
with her, the 3 Miss Whiteheads, Miss Billinghurst, Miss
>Molly
>>>Flutter, Mr. Chandler, Mr. Ford & H. Parsons & Jelly. Drank Tea
>and
stayed
>>>till 8."
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